What do you mean? I have music in my mind almost all the time. And — Metaphysician Undercover

Well, if I hear a song in my mind, I unconsciously, so I noticed, sing along in my mouth or vocal court or move my body. Only in dreams I can hear sounds, I think, though I can't actually remember. When you hear sound from headphones, you can do a nice play. You can move them away from your ears and take the sound out of your head. Very strange experience.

If you hear a tune inside your head your body is involved. You can get tears in your eyes or move along. Pure hearing seems impossible.

All tech can be used for good purposes as well. — universeness

Yes, obviously. But that isn't happening only. The poor natural people on Mururoa could live thousands of years without science.

There is not much in your response worth responding to — universeness

I gave you examples of the effects!

That's true of all human activity. — universeness

Okay, but they cant have that devastating effects.

No, he didn't — universeness

Not directly. You see, that's the scary thing with science. You dont know where it ends up.

yes but how likely is it really that you are? — Tobias

I havent done the exact statistics, but its close to 100%.

yes but how likely is it really that you are? That is what you have to wonder about. You might feel like A, but if you hear B all the time, you might be B, no? — Tobias

Yes! I heard B too long. Assumed it real. But actually it's A. And only a genius can tell!

Earth is quite capable of surviving human activity. It is much more threatened by the Sun's activity! — universeness

BS!

I don't think humans relish the idea that evil belongs to them alone but I think you are projecting your concept of evil onto what you label 'mean' actions in your dog. There is no way to currently know if your dog is actually capable of understanding the difference between the HUMAN concept of good and evil. — universeness

Obviously, the dog can't. She's no human! But that doesn't mean she can be mean, if you know what I mean.

Right back at you! — universeness

Then my answer is, look at the state of the planet. Thousands of fellow species have disappeared, natural cultures ceased to exist, and people are exposed to the "delicious" fruits of science. And dint give me that shit that its not the fault of science.

Yeah, very dramatic-sounding BS. What world did Oppenheimer destroy? — universeness

There's still time...

That's the better example of human conceit, Oppenheimer's conceit that HE had become the destroyer of worlds :roll: Earth is quite capable of surviving human activity. It is much more threatened by the Sun's activity! — universeness

But he did become the destroyer of two cities. That's what he meant. There have found place 900 tests! Real life! Pigs burned alive and soldiers cancer. At Mururoa, people of nature in the neighborhood were victims. But hey, thats far away. Poor people. Did they ask for that shit?

Seems odd....Some people are more prone to hallucination than others, sure, but the chance of having 5 prone is smaller than one prone. — Tobias

It could be that the sixth realized the hallucination. I feel like the sixth.

"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

This is getting near to doomed notion that something can come out of a true lack of anything or 'Nothing'. If something pops out out, then was there was still something behind it, which is the capability for it and so that would be the something that is eternal. — PoeticUniverse

The point is, we can't speak about an eternal timeless underlying substance, since time doesn't apply to it.

Yes, it is possible, but so can some individual be hallucinating. What is more likely, 5 knowledgeable people hallucinating altogether or 1 — Tobias

That depends on the people involved.

Are these things what science does??? And especially to "right views"?? Since when? — dimosthenis9

Since the very beginning. The right stuff of today can turn out the wrong tomorrow.

So more evil today, compared to our days as jungle survivors? — universeness

Much more evil! I think it would be far more relaxed back then than now, so your evolution isnt reassuring. My dreams wouldnt be hunted by nuclear explosions, for a fact. Didnt Oppenheimer say he'd become death, the destroyer of worlds?

Example? How about an evil dog? I can understand a human labeling particular dog behaviour as evil and I can tell when one dog is afraid of another but do you think the sacred dog thinks the other dog is evil or merely of a higher (alpha) status than it. — universeness

It is human conceit to think only they can be evil. Our dog can be pretty mean!

Since science was introduced, the amount of evil has increased only.
— Hillary
Based on what evidence? — universeness

Oh come on brother Uni! Do you have your eyes closed?

But because they went through rigorous peer review the chance is lower than your average garden variety theory thought up by whoever. — Tobias

My point is that exactly that so-called peer reviewing can be a peer hallucination.

Our Darwinian origin taught us that the jungle rules are not the most efficient way to increase human quality of life and longevity of life, so we created such concepts as good and evil and started to legislate to support what we identified as good behaviour and we legislated against what we identified as evil behaviour — universeness

Though seemingly reasonable, this doesn't hold in practice. Since science was introduced, the amount of evil has increased only.

Evil/good are inventions of human culture — universeness

Don't think so. There are some pretty evil animals. Like people.

Views that are based upon repeatable peer-reviewed scientific results? — creativesoul

The point is, that these exactly could be wrong.

I've always wondered why this option exists at all? I can choose myths over knowledge. — Agent Smith

:up:

Have you read Feyerabend?

I don't see how this is relevant to seeking the truth — dimosthenis9

Well, I witness this in the very core of science. Views that are right are shunned, ridiculed, argumented to death, or banned, while the majority clings to the hallucination, precisely because the "urgency" to know.

I had similar thoughts hanging up such a sticky long thing against flies (don't know what's it called in English, flypaper?). :gasp:

:rage:

Which means, RAAAAAGE... :lol:

Try to explain that consciousness!

Consciousness is a complex awareness in which an integrated life event creates a variation in its structural arrangement (of interacting molecular change) in relation to an ‘other’ event with which it interacts - ie. the world. Each variation relates to the next to gradually build and rebuild a conceptual structure of the world as a predictive reference for the brain, in much the same way as DNA builds an updated blueprint for the organism. This integrated structure of predictions about the world is then able to create an ‘image’ of the world or the self as it develops self-consciousness - creating potential or simulated variations to test how such an arrangement might affect the organism’s ongoing structural arrangements of molecular change. — Possibility

This doesn't make me understand a single bit what consciousness is. It's like you analyze a dead stone.

Einstein’s work was fully compatible with Kantian Idealism, — Joshs

How can that be? Einstein saw spacetime as a real substance. Didn't Kant see it as an ideal, whose real being we can't know?

see that one of the big problems in bridging the gap is language — ucarr

Thanks to language I have actually closed the gap. If I didn't speak with other people and read things I doubt this would have been the case.

Or do you mean the gap between people, speaking different languages?

consider having a song in your mind) — Metaphysician Undercover

This is very difficult without actually involving your body to sing along.

Even the basics of nature contain a basic, primordial, preliminary, proton mentality. It's just a property of matter. A divine property, I might add, since matter was created by the gods to let the non-material divine life in heaven evolve time after time, in one big bang after another.

preferred, allegedly humane forms of execution — Agent Smith

Like that triple injection? Jesus (speaking of which)! What's so humane about that. Seems even worse than an electric chair. You see them tubes delivering their load. You fight against it. You watch the (mostly) guys standing around you, who look at you without expression or compassion. And you're not sure what comes when you closed your eyes the last time.

I thought love and hate were, well, unisex! — Agent Smith

God was a bisexual in transgression to being the opposite sex. It gets complicated. Bet then again, God is



:snicker:

We will give him the right to end his life himself. If not, we'll just shoot him slowly.

Btw, your quote function is offline? Or are you on phone, like me?

Uh, yes, I agree, it evolved. But again, how does it levitate?" — hypericin

During evolution it discovered repulsive gravity.

But, all that said, many will basically shrug it off. At which point, one smiles and walks away — Wayfarer

And rightly so. Both Chalmers and Nagel show the obvious. Nothing new is said. Just an awe for science is expressed. Chlalmers even suggested a most horrific and scary mental experiment. To replace the neurons one by one with a tiny computer structure... Yeah...Alright. smile and walk away.

Do we ever get to the truly true absolute truth? Well, I think I have, so, yes. And it doesn't require language. Language merely accelerated it's contemplation.

Then again, it's how I see it. But I'll stick to it till someone point me to a flaw...

The purpose of an electron is to meet other charges to fall in love with or to push away.

Divine" :snicker: This is bad on so many levels, just gonna skip that part.

So you don't wanna worship chance? Why not? :rofl:

So reason and chance made the world, both are divine and God is not worthy of worship...so bad :rofl:

Btw this is YOUR logic! I quoted it so you would never forget it, but since you wanted a better response — chiknsld

:lol: :100:

Unforgettable!

:lol:

Don't blame him. He's born like that.... :lol:

Must have been bitter champagne for Hawking. He bit his tires!

Recently, Strominger et. al. have dine some heavy cakculationd: soft hair! Some barbers. I could have told them though. It seems so obvious.

It hss to be said, I seem to understand an electron or the things it's made of. When it comes to my wife, I'm sometimes totally clueless.

Finding that out is also included in the search of truth progress — dimosthenis9

The question though is, if it's worth the bloodshed.

For example, person A thinks he knows the truth. The majority B thinks they know. Person A is tortured, his rights denied, and ridiculed, because B thinks they know better.