The deep state, ya kna? — Olivier5

Love me some deep state :wink:

you're not free to interact with others however you see fit. — jorndoe

What's your point?

(If you want to go on a killing spree, then please leave others out of it. If you want to drive drunk, then please stick to your backyard. ...) — jorndoe

That's random. Why are you whispering?

For folks who distrust their government very very much[ . . .] — Olivier5

Too bad you didn't make this offer when Trump was in office, I'm sure you would have made a fortune.

If cowardice is the opposite of bravery, are you doing something brave? Can you describe that? — Monitor

No, I'm not doing anything noteworthy. Bravery and cowardice only come into play when an individual perceives the threat of danger. I perceive no threat, so I can be neither cowardly nor courageous in this case.

So your judgement on male cowardice is final? Can you see no other virtues to redeem them? — Monitor

What was that judgment again? Out of the four classic virtues (wisdom, courage, moderation and justice) I can see a poor attempt at moderation.

Dayam!!! that is something else. Thanks for sharing

Some may quibble as to the details. — Banno

"Some may"? More like "most will"

You people really just don't understand, do you? — Xtrix

"You people", lol. Just so we are clear, to what people do you think I belong?

This is not an individual thing. This is a collective thing. Community -- you've heard of that word, yes? — Xtrix

It's an individual thing to individuals. "Community"? Yes, specifically the way you use the term, I noticed it when I was reading about slave morality.

This is why we should care that everyone is being vaccinated unless, of course, they want to isolate themselves from society, which is their choice. — Xtrix

I disagree. Rather, if you think going out into society is a risk to your health and life, then YOU can choose to dig into your den of cowardice and stay put. Stop encroaching on other people's lives with your cowardice, man up.

The vaccinated can still get breakthrough cases, and some who want a vaccine can't get one. I'm vaccinated, and I'm not afraid of the virus. That means exactly NOTHING when discussing vaccination. We should all get vaccinated -- they're safe, they're effective, and they help stop the spread. 6 billion shots given around the world, 100s of millions of people fully vaccinated. Serious side effects? Extremely rare -- better odds of getting hit by lightning. — Xtrix

Ok. And your point is...what exactly?

Btw...Your hope for the indiscriminate vaccination of everybody on earth is very naive. How can everyone get vaccinated, if as you say, "some who want a vaccine can't get one"? Personally, I support peoples right to get the vax if they choose, its too bad they cannot get it if they want it.

If you want to remain ignorant, fine. But the excuses don't work, and patience is running out. People who want to quit their jobs over this -- good, do so. Tough shit. — Xtrix

Wow, you are really spiteful, wishing ill on people...Talk about ignorance. Just like that Riley fella. I definitely do not want to be affiliated with you people. I think I'll start referring to your kind as "vaxscists"- provaxxers with fascist attitudes

see you when you return. I wish health and happiness to you and yours

You say that if I didn't care about those who don't care about others then I would respect their right to choose. WTF? Why would I respect the rights of anyone I don't care about? Your words. Jeesh. — James Riley

You obviously can't read.  I was only talking about your concern for people who "don't want your concern". Also, just because they don't want concern from others, it doesn't necessitate that they don't care about others themselves.  You are really confused,  poor lil' fella. 

Then you say the vaxxed are not at risk from the non-vaxxed, right after you said: — James Riley

I didn't say it, I asked it.  Here, I'll ask it again: if you and your loved one's have all been vaccinated, then you all are not at risk from the nonvaxxed, and there is no need to be concerned over anyone's health, right?

It will be if you are taking up a bed I want for my friends or loved ones. It ain't all about you. — James Riley

Really? What are you gonna do? whine about it on TPF.

Especially since so many unvaxxed, non-masking, non-distancing people are spinning up variants; not to mention the dolts that vax but throw shade on vaxxing. — James Riley

Oh no! Variants, so scary!

Guess what else? Fuck your vaccine, I piss on it.

Keep your filthy fucking virus out of other people's lives and we're good. Until then, it is my business, fool. — James Riley

I'll make you a deal, ill keep "your filthy fucking virus" out of other people's lives, if you keep all your fascist bullshit in your spiteful little skull.

I go the shot, I mask, I distance. — James Riley

Good for you, you want a cookie?

there are more fatalities because the stupid people say stupid people have rights to be stupid people. — James Riley

Momma always said: "stupid is as stupid does". ~Forest Gump

I think you just owned yourself — James Riley

I've always owned myself, unlike you, who has been own by others since birth. I am owning you right now in fact.

Nobody cares about you. — James Riley

Good. I can care about myself just fine.

Your reasoning fails you. Re-read what you just said. Think. Try harder. — James Riley

My reasoning stands, otherwise you would have been specific in pointing out where it fails. But you know, we both know, that if you analyze my reasoning here, it will shine a bright light on the gaping hole in your little vax obsession.

It will be your problem if you or a loved one need a bed. I donated mine by getting a vax. — James Riley

Damn right! It will be my problem, not yours or anybody else's. And even though we are vaxxed, that is no guarantee we won't need "a bed" someday.

I don't prefer either, but there is one I can do something about and I did it. You know, the one with more numbers. — James Riley

What have you done for those Arab kids? Did you get a shot so you could better be there for them? If so, good. Nobody is likely to be able to help your kids if they can't take a few minutes out of their life for a free shot. — James Riley

Don't worry about me, whether or not i got vaxxed. Mind your own business before you get stepped on foo.

Anyway. Let me get this strait...you say you did something about covid, and nevertheless, there are more fatalities... sounds like you didn't do much. I have done nothing to stop the bombing of Arab children, and as you say, there are less fatalities than with covid....seems that my strategy is more effective here.

Anyway, Arab children in the middle east are more likely to die from a bomb than covid. The real question you should be asking is: did those children get their free shot so they don't put me at risk? Personally, I respect their right to choose, rather than imposing upon them with my fear.

The difficulty for the state is people like you. Can the state fix stupid? — James Riley

You are obviously a born servant the state. You would have made a great Nazi.

Your reasoning fails. I don't give a shit about those who do not want others to give a shit about them. Fuck them. I give a shit about those who do care, and who will be killed by the former. — James Riley

But you do. You care very much about those people who don't want concern from others. It is obvious from your posts here. If you didn't, you would respect the individual's right to choose rather than getting so butt-hurt about people declining the vaccine. After all, if you and your loved one's have all been vaccinated, then you all are not at risk from the nonvaxxed, and there is no need to be concerned over anyone's health, right?

Speaking of kids: — James Riley

Hey, its Russell Crow!

Tell that to the folks who lost loved ones who could not access a bed. — James Riley

It isn't my problem that there are not enough beds. If you're so concerned, donate your bed?

And that explains it. — James Riley

Okay, so you side with the virus; killer of millions. Got it. — James Riley

Yes, it explains clearly. You prefer the indescriminate blowing up of Arab children, I prefer covid fatalities.

Did you know that children are far less susceptible to severe infection from covid than are other age groups? I guess that means I care about the lives of children more than you.

Yes, it explains it clearly.

Exercise a little situational awareness and you'll see what's so hard about that. — James Riley

I am, if I see the situation to be a democratic state, I expect it to serve its people.. If I see a despotic state, I expect the people to serve it. You see, very simple.

If it were then I wouldn't be supporting the asking, and fearing the tools who could give a shit about others. — James Riley

This is probably news to you, but not everyone is so needy, there are multitudes of people that do not want others to give a shit about them, especially strangers they will never meet. Looks like you don't give a shit about those people...so much for your universal benevolence

Eventually there will be commands. And then we have to listen to the wailing. That is if we haven't lost the war already, thanks to these children. In that case, they've killed a lot of people. — James Riley

That's too bad. Good thing its all speculation.

So you think it's cute when government begs you to get a shot and save you life and that of others? Are your politics showing? — James Riley

Save my life and the life of others? Don't be so dramatic.

And what makes you think I give two fucks about saving lives? I'm simply content in not intentionally ending lives, I always do my part in refraining from murder and other forms of unnecessary killing, without fail. Did you know that there are numerous categories of people whose live's needed saving before covid, and continue to need saving today? If I were concerned about saving lives, the first ones I'd try to save would be Arab children getting blown up by the US war effort. But nobody gives a fuck about those people. It's a lot easier to feel righteous by obsessing about covid fatalities. For me, covid fatalities are at the bottom of the list of lives that need to be saved.

I think its cute when a dog begs. I think its pathetic when the state begs. In my opinion, if the state is a democratic republic, then it should ask and respect the choices of its people and deal with the consequences; if it is despotic, then it should command its people, and purge noncompliers with great predjudice. What is so hard about that?

You appear to favor the latter mode of statehood, no doubt you would thrive under it. Perhaps my politics are showing...you tell me.

Banno is on his own orbit here — Olivier5

Banno is always on his own orbit, everywhere. That is why we all love and hate him so much.

Yuck! :vomit: — Wheatley

It was a joke :vomit:

They probably smell. :lol: — Wheatley

oh yes, like decaying corpses? You should stop looking for dates at the cemetery. You should try the morgue, the fermeldahide is still pretty fresh

I believe the ocean is blue, something is off because belief doesn't enter into it. You understand the ocean is blue, you see it. It's not an issue of belief. — Manuel

Not necessarily. If philosophy has discovered anything about epistemology, it is that the bedrock of all understanding is unverifiable belief.

Even in the case of the ocean's blue, there is a belief overshadowing the understanding that the ocean has a definite color. And, there is nothing to prevent us from understanding that the ocean is some other color, or no color at all.

However, there is one thing we can understand with absolute certainty, that we agree the ocean appears to be colored blue at certain times. Then again, this presupposes that solipsism isn't true, and you are indeed an autonomous subject - just another belief.

Or are you asking is it possible for us to know that something is untrue? For instance, I know that the English queen is not 40 years-old. — Tom Storm

Negative truth (knowledge of the false) is equally valid to positive truth (knowledge of the truth).

Turns out anti-vaxxers are anti-medicine. — Xtrix

Lol, just like jehovah witnesses and Christian scientists and rastafarians

wouldn't date someone who never goes to the doctor. — Wheatley

How would you find that out if you won't go on a date with them? Do you find it out when you are asking them out?

If it were a king, he might not ask. Hell, you can even dislike elected officials relying on experts but at least they are just asking politely. Actually, they are near begging. — James Riley

Only asking? Not commanding? In that case, it should not matter if some people take their choice and choose to decline.

Begging does nobody any good, it's pitiful at best. My dog begs too, its cute when she does it.

You just don't like the people who are politely asking you to step up. — James Riley

If these people happen to be king and country, I will admit to disliking them.

bows to the audience*

The world doesn't revolve around the USA. — Benkei

Yes it does

Neoplatonic divinity, maybe. — frank

At first, I read napoleanic divinity. Perhaps that could be an absolute foundation of art. Who knows?

what are you talking about, the nation? fuck the nation. Let us not be fascist now. Stick to the program:

I say "RETARDS"!!!

Sissies. — Olivier5

Retards!!!! Right?

That's good enough for me. — Wheatley

And, that, that is good enough for me.

Would you be prepared to sign a waiver to the effect that you will refuse medical treatment if you catch covid even if your condition becomes critical? — Janus

I think that is the best solution I've heard yet. Give the antivaxers a choice like this, and I think most would gladly sign up. Unfortunately, I don't think most provaxers would favor any solution beside everyone vaxxed. There is obviously irrational fear on both sides of the conflict, so I don't envision the two sides will find a middle ground anytime soon, to the detriment of us all. God save the earth people.

So do you have knowledge I'm not privy to? Or is there some other reason why you can say that the death toll would likely have been much much more "into the future", yet I can't possible know what the death toll would be? — Isaac

Wait until the state begins really enforcing its Covid mandates, you will see the death toll rise immensely. . .as a result of Covid of course.

I'm trying to impress on you, but without much success, that consciousness is the root of creativity.
Consciousness unifies and integrates information.
Creativity unifies and integrates information
This bears thinking about. — Pop

I think I see what you are getting at. Let me see if I can clarify a bit. Phenomenalogically speaking, art is creation. Man creates himself and his world through art, and it is through the prism of art that man and the world appears as it does to man. Every category whereby man shares his knowledge is a form of art, it is a way in which mankind portrays, frames, interpret, imagines, communicates, &c. the world as it appears and seems.

I would go so far as to assert science to be the dominant artform of our time, having long ago replaced religion and myth (although not absolutely) as the way in which the world generally appears to man. The interesting thing is how religion/myth and science differ in essence. Science depends entirely on strict methodology and lacks a definitive ethical component, whereas religion/myth is exactly the opposite, a strict ethics and vague methodology. I could say more...

I believe there were some famous philosophers that implied or explicitly held aesthics to be a kind of a priori category, I would include Hegel, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, and Kierkegaard amongst others.

in times of crisis, 1) one should give some slack to political leaders, their job is hard nowadays and you and I wouldn't be able to do any better; and 2) consider the need for a little social cohesion, for a bit more attention to the public good, i.e. more civic sense and responsibility to the collective is required in times of crisis than otherwise I think. — Olivier5

This should be the case in a perfect world. But we are in a fucked up world, and, historically speaking, crisis is the most opportune time for the tyrant to make a move. I cannot hold it against anyone who harbors heavy mistrust and skepticism towards government, given the countless times it has betrayed the public.

The current debate can be reduced to fear of disease versus fear of tyranny. In the end we will find endless reasons why one should take priority over the other. My solution, however, is that we should all shed our fears, and take pleasure in getting sick, and in obeying irksome and/or unreasonable commands.

We're not doing better, we've just created a system in which the cause with the most Facebook likes gets the fucking cavalry whilst everything else gets the home guard. — Isaac

I've placed a lot of the blame on internet hype and social media from the start. It has allowed us to infect each other with our ignorances and stupidities much more efficienty and directly than the more traditional forms of mass media. Now, instead of generic talking heads feeding us lies and misinformation, it is our friends and family doing it.

maybe you're crazy, and just need a little dose of science and some conformity to the popular narrative

our compassionate societies make sure that even the most antisocial distrustful lying cretins are cared for... — Olivier5

Very true, it's truly pathetic. I wish our pinko, bleeding-heart society would throw all the cretins into a furnace, beginning with the fat and the ugly

I'll have to check out that director, im unfamiliar with his work

Is that avatar of yours dr. Strangelove? "Wollt euch den totalen Krieg? Mhihihih..." Great movie! All of Kubrick. — Nosferatu

Indeed! Merchwuerdigichliebe is Dr. Strangelove's german name. My greastest inspiration after Bugs Bunny. And Kubrick is definitely the greatest director ever, no competition

Its definitely wrong for me to have children. It would cramp my style

don't get banned, practice self censorship.

Thanks for that link, im all over it, ill let you know what i think

Ohoooh. My wife just woke up. Now that's a philosophical problem! I look for the link. — Nosferatu

Can't wait to see more of your shitty shitty BANGBANG here