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  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    I don't have a full understanding of this and what it means for you. This conception of 'courage sans hope'. — Amity
    Consider again the sections featuring Aristotle, Spinoza & Camus in the SEP article on Hope –

    e.g. "Sisyphus" endlessly rolling his philosopher's stone; casualties making love in the trenches and raising children in foxholes; the homeless singing the blues to momentarily chase away blue devils...

    "You must go on. I can't go on. I'll go on."

    "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."


    :fire:
    ↪180 Proof
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    2024: Sometimes the sheeple vote for wolves instead of sheepdogs.

    e.g. 53% of White women again chose a "Your Body, My Choice" misogynist by playing the "White Power" (MAGA) race card.

    addendum to:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/945715

    @Amity @Mikie @Benkei @Maw @Wayfarer @Fooloso4 @Vera Mont @Baden
  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    Hope
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hope/
    — Amity
    Thanks. :up:

    Fwiw, my conception of courage sans hope is primarily indebted to Aristotle, Spinoza & Camus (as well as e.g. Laozi, Epicurus, Epictetus, P. Zapffe, F. Kafka, S. Beckett, C. Rosset, A. Murray ... who aren't mentioned in the article) and grounded in lived experience.

    :death: :flower:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    @Mikie

    FeelTheBern
    https://theintercept.com/2024/11/12/trump-harris-democrats-working-class-voters/ :fire:
  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    ↪Amity
    Hillary Rodham Clinton.
  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    ↪Maw
    :up: :up:

    From 2023 ...
    Yeah, in 2024 that "1 way to lose" will be the same as 2016: HRC. The Dems don't learn new tricks often ... though maybe VP Harris :yikes: (if Biden drops out of the race and the Dems don't nominate e.g. Gov Newsom, Gov Whitmer, et al) – HRC redux. — 180 Proof
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Mikie
    Fwiw, from a 2019 thread ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/336888
  • Writing styles
    ↪Hanover
    :smirk:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Manuel
    :up:
  • Post-mortem poll: for Republican or against Democrat?
    ↪Leontiskos
    :up:
  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    There is no time for despair, no place for self-pity, no need for silence, no room for fear. We speak, we write, we do language. That is how civilizations heal. I know the world is bruised and bleeding, and though it is important not to ignore its pain, it is also critical to refuse to succumb to its malevolence. Like failure, chaos contains information that can lead to knowledge even wisdom. Like art. — Toni Morrison

    addendum to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/946060
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Welcome to Trumpistan again!

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/945770

    ↪creativesoul
    :up: :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I LOVE THE POORLY EDUCATED. — President-elect Trump, 6Nov24
    No doubt he does because the majority of "poorly educated" (+ reality tv, WWE & social media-brain addled) US voters love "Trump". :eyes: :mask:
  • Post-mortem poll: for Republican or against Democrat?
    ↪Outlander
    :up:
  • Writing styles
    ↪Swanty
    Cite some representative samples of my "unclear" "jargon laden style and weird grammatically abbreviated sentences". Thanks.
  • Post-mortem poll: for Republican or against Democrat?
    Apparently US voters dislike the Biden economy and the prospect of a female president more than they dislike a 'corrupt, incompetent, con artist, racist, rapist, misogynist, nativist-xenophobe-isolationist, hyper-protectionist, insurrectionist, autocrat & convicted fraudster'. :brow:
  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    ↪Amity
    Thx :flower:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Any chance of success went out the window in 2021, when the 3.5 trillion dollar Bernie-backed reconciliation bill was killed by Manchin and Sinema. That would have been very good for the country. Instead we got crumbs and some baby steps in climate policy. Not good enough, not impactful enough. — Mikie
    :up: :up:
  • With philosophy, poetry and politics on my mind...
    A question for 180 Proof and any others - how much would you agree that there was too much emphasis and reliance on women votes re abortion? — Amity
    I don't agree. Imo, Trump won because too many Democratic voters preferred not to vote rather than vote for a woman president just like in 2016. Biden won 15 million more votes in 2020 than Clinton won in 2016 and 13 million more votes than Harris won this year; however, Trump received about 1 million less than he did in 2020, so the election turnout drop-off was on the Dems side. As far as I can tell, too many Americans are still not "ready" for a woman president. :brow:
  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. — Bertrand Russell

    As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron. — H.L. Mencken

    In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. — Napoleon Bonaparte

    What a terrible era in which idiots govern the blind. — William Shakespeare


    addendum to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/945412
  • A Mind Without the Perceptible
    ↪Brenner T
    If the g/G of "classical theism" is eternal, then its "ideas" are also eternal, and therefore whatever exists – "whatever it perceives to be" – is also eternal from g/G's pov (even though from a not-g/G (e.g. human) pov whatever exists seems temporal (which is a "stubbornly persistent illusion" according to A. Einstein)). So, imo, refuting Berkeley does not itself refute "classical theism" (vide Spinoza / Epicurus).

    Btw, I'm a p-naturalist (i.e. anti-supernaturalist ... anti-antirealist) with a speculative affinity for pandeism.
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪180 Proof
    Leave me alone. Fuck off
    — schopenhauer1
    Reply intelligently to this post

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944417

    and I (probably) will.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Christoffer
    :up:

    The rest of us need to look at this result with humility. American voters are not always wise, but they are generally sensible, and they have something to teach us. My initial thought is that I have to re-examine my own priors. I’m a moderate. I like it when Democratic candidates run to the center. But I have to confess that Harris did that pretty effectively and it didn’t work. Maybe the Democrats have to embrace a Bernie Sanders-style disruption — something that will make people like me feel uncomfortable.

    — David Brooks

    Gee thanks David. Glad you’re realizing this NOW.

    Him, Bret Stephens, and the rest of the anti-Bernie crowd can just shut up now.
    — Mikie
    :up:

    Imho populism + sexism also among Democratic voters = Trump defeats Harris: in 2016 Hillary received 66m votes and 2020 Joe received 81m votes (W) and 2024 Kamala received 68m74m votes. Apparently, regardless of candidate quality, we 21st century Americans prefer a lawless president / "dictator" (tyranny) to a neoliberal woman president (quasi-liberty). :confused:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Fuck me.
    — 180 Proof

    Seems gratuitous since you've just been fucked by several million of your countrymen
    — Benkei
    :sweat:
    .
  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. — GWF Hegel
    History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. — Karl Marx
    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. — George Santayana

    Trump Reelected.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    DJT is vox populi! — 180 Proof
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    6November24

    Yesterday more Americans chose rather than rejected tyranny. To wit:

    make Apartheid great again
    make Antisemitism great again
    make Anti-women great again
    make Anti-immigrants great again
    make Anti-labor great again
    make Anti-intellect great again
    make Anti-democracy great again
    make Above-the-Law great again
    make Assholery great again ...

    prevails – 'DJT is vox populi!' – the culmination of the last half-century of bipartian Neoliberal de-industrialization – 'It's the structurally exploitative-systematically discriminatory Plutonomy, stupid!' – aided and abetted by corporatist Reality TV, WWE & Social Media which has groomed (radicalized) the precariat for reactionary populism???

    Fuck me.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944859

    @180 Proof? — Mikie
    I was wrong. :zip:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Wishful thinking? TBD. — 180 Proof
    Damn. I was very wrong. :zip:
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪schopenhauer1
    :rofl:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    I really wonder on what people base their predictions ... — Tobias
    :wink: Follow me down these rabbit holes to Wonderland, my friend ..

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944276
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪schopenhauer1
    Well, since you've ignored my post in your other recent thread ...

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944417

    ... it's no big loss. Oh, btw, try some philosophizing yourself for a change. :smirk:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Relativist
    :up:
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪schopenhauer1
    :yawn:
    [M]any of us, most of us, don't see the world and relationships this way. This is your personal, idiosyncratic reaction to your own personal idiosyncratic problems and your solution is your personal, idiosyncratic solution. Doctoring it up with Schopenhauer doesn't change that. — T Clark
    :up: :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    5Roevember24 :victory: :mask:

    YOU WILL GO TO PRISON, DIAPER DON – your sentencing in NYC is scheduled for 26 November. More state indictments pending. Federal trials will resume next Spring. Appeals of both civil judgments in NY will fail also by Spring 2025. No doubt your knuckle-dragging, gun-happy cult of MAGA morons (wannabe "brown shirts") will fuck around and find out (I suspect "Dark Brandon" – fortified by SCOTUS' wingnut "presidential immunity" – will not show much mercy if it comes to that). Karma. :fire:

    Wishful thinking? TBD.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Baden
    :sweat:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/942675
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    A republic, if you can keep it. — Benjamin Franklin, 17 September 1787
    In America on the ballot today there is a simple, yet fateful question: FOR TYRANNY (Trump-Vance) OR AGAINST TYRANNY (Harris-Walz)?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Tyranny

    Roevember is here! :fire: :party: :hearts:
  • Deep Songs

    "In The Heat Of The Night" (2:30)
    Soundtrack, 1967
    music Quincy Jones, d. 2024
    lyrics A. Bergman & M. Bergman
    singer Ray Charles
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    [ ... ] I have no problem understanding why people follow Trump, regardless of his behavior. People are more stupid than they think and it demands effort to always be vigil of your own biases. These people have no such abilities and thus are open to a total annihilation of their inner agency, making them into zealots and drones. — Christoffer
    :100:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Addendum to.
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944276

    WHETHER THE MAGA CIRCUS LIKES IT OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO REJECT THE CLOWN. :mask:

    >>> Roevember 1
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