:up: :up:The fact is he [Orange Turd] was charged - with crimes - tried and convicted. — tim wood
(Adults who can "handle the truth", click username link for my argument.) :victory: :mask:Well, my guess (today, 31May24) is that Convicted Felon-1 will be sentenced to 2-4 years for each of the 34 felonies that will run concurrently (so that if only 1 felony survives the appeal process, he will still serve 2-4 years in prison), probably starting in spring 2025. The basis of sentencing will be ... — 180 Proof
I assume neither the first nor the last, only AGI's metacognitive "independence". The rest of your post, therefore, does not follow from my speculations.... I infer your assumption functional AGI will possess: consciousness, independence and self-interest. — ucarr
I don't think we can "program" AGI so much as train it like we do children and adolescents, mostly, learning from stories and by example ( :yikes: ) ... similarly to how we learn 'language games' from playing them.How on earth are we to program AI to be 'ethical'/'moral'? — I like sushi
I suspect we will probably have to wait for 'AGI' to decide for itself whether or not to self-impose moral norms and/or legal constraints and what kind of ethics and/or laws it may create for itself – superceding human ethics & legal theories? – if it decides it needs them in order to 'optimally function' within (or without) human civilization. — 180 Proof
:chin:My point is that the 'AGI', not humans, will decide whether or not to impose on itself and abide by (some theory of) moral norms, or codes of conduct; besides, its 'sense of responsibility' may or may not be consistent with human responsibility. How or why 'AGI' decides whatever it decides will be done so for its own reasons which humans might or might not be intelligent enough to either grasp or accept. — 180 Proof
:up: :up:I think you are envisioning some sentient being here. I am not. There is nothing to suggest AI or AGI will be conscious. — I like sushi
Yes – preventing and reducing² agent-dysfunction (i.e. modalities of suffering (disvalue)¹ from incapacity to destruction) facilitated by 'nonzero sum – win-win – resolutions of conflicts' between humans, between humans & machines and/or between machines.we, or it, can discover Moral Truths (Moral Realism) — I like sushi
In other words, 'signs of the holy sacred divine ...' are just, at minimum, expressions of human ignorance. Lord forgive me but again I agree with the ernestly confessing Bishop of Hippo. :pray: :sweat:'Miracles are not against nature but against what we know of nature' ~ St Augustine. — Wayfarer
No.I get the feeling that people equate beauty to goodness, do you? — Rob J Kennedy
... or, in other words, "beauty" gives pleasure more memorably than not-beauty whereas "goodness" gives purpose less arbitrarily than not-goodness.• the Beautiful property indicates attention-symmetry
• the Good property indicates intention-symmetry.
• the Truth property indicates translation-symmetry — 180 Proof
I think so. I often experience joy listening to music, reading, creating, orgasming, helping someone in non-trivial ways and from long vigor walks/hikes even when I'm not happy.I wonder if we sometimes confuse happiness with joy — Tom Storm
Yes, sobriety's ego-suspending flow state that's sometimes joyful too.ecstasy — Vera Mont
There are compelling grounds to doubt "solipsism" (e.g. disembodiment, immaterialism, brain-in-vat, etc) which suffice for dismissing it.180 Proof: If you agree hard solipsism cannot be disproven, then wouldn’t the minimum that we must necessarily presuppose be our consciousness and sensations, and nothing else? — Art48
By your own admission, Art, grounds against doubting "materialism" (e.g. embodiment, multiplicity, dis-order) far exceed grounds for doubting it, which suffice for not dismissing "materialism", especially compared to much more doubtful alternatives (e.g. immaterialism, solipsism).Of course, the evidence for an external material world is very, very strong but the point of the video is that the evidence does not prove materialism.
It doesn't make sense to ask whether grammar is "true or false" any more than it does to ask this of metaphysics. I think (Western) metaphysics consists in what is necessarily presupposed (e.g. ontology) in order for epistemological statements (e.g. physics (i.e. cosmology)) and axiological statements (e.g. ethics, aesthetics) to make sense as domain-specific criteria for truth and falsity. In other words, physics models computable aspects of nature (just as ethics maps eusocial aspects of human nature) whereas metaphysics indefeasibly describes physics' model-making (& ethics' map-making).Are you saying a metaphysical position isn’t true or false?
Well I say that beyond all doubt, above the Planck scale, shorter than Relativistic distances and slower than Relativistic velocities, "Newtonian Mechanics" is (almost) completely accurate.Also, I’d say Newtonian Mechanics is wrong.
Physical laws and constants make explicit (some? many? most?) "limits of the natural world" and, after countless billions upon billions of experimental observations, that there is no evidence of violations of any physical laws is, imo, compelling grounds to doubt your "belief", Art.I believe “supernatural” is a vacuous term because we do not yet know the limits of the natural world.
:up: :up:I wasn't expecting people to come out and say, "l love Trump because his a bigot, a racist and a misogynist, and so am I." So I'm not very surprised it didn't happen. — unenlightened
It seems "narratives and models" are "useful" in the broadest scope only, in fact, when they are approximately true. Maybe not but I can't think of any counter-examples which you & @Art48 might be talking about.It's interesting to me that humans make sense of he world with narratives and models which may often be useful but not be true. — Tom Storm
DD's been an antisemite for decades long before the latest protests (by many Jews too) against Israeli apartheid and war crimes. Unlike the majority of anti-zionist (pro-Palestinian) protesters, you ignoramus, he is a KKK-racist advocate for oppressing non-white & non-christian people everywhere. :shade:BTW David Duke sides with the anti-Israel protesters. — BitconnectCarlos
:up: :up:All our social control structures will eventually, and necessarily be given over to AI. — punos
:100: :fire:As for what we were conscious of; these were stories. Stories end. Or they live on, already in other stories, just as they were constructed from other stories [...]
The body lives on because it's not [the] body but the universe.
The Mind lives on because it's not an individual spirit but universal history.
It is only the ego, never alive to begin with, that finally becomes obsolete. Nothing feels nor experiences that loss. And, nothing was there to begin with. — ENOAH
Clarify what you mean by this.an impoverished spiritual life — Shawn
Wtf, dude... :lol:Marxcould have been right about the substitution of drugs for religion...
Strawman. :shade:i don't have to abide by your theory that only certain groups (ashkis, white) can be racist. — BitconnectCarlos
Humans don't fight over territory and food. They fight over imaginary stories in their minds. — Yuval Noah Harari
Yeah, and they learned that from White (or semitic re: Arab) slavers-oppressors. Plenty of colorism (especially) in the older generations of both the American Southerner & Carribean sides of my mixed-raced family. So what's your non-point, BC? After all, I'm not the one claiming "Blacks are one family" and that "there is no discrimination among dark skinned and light skinned Blacks" the way you've lied (as the wiki link I've provided makes clear) about Israeli Jews who are semitic people discriminating, in fact, against – oppressing – other semitic people. Just calling you out again on your zionist propaganda bullshit. :victory: :mask:Did you know that the lighter skinned blacks discriminate against the darker skinned ones? They oppress them and treat them as lower. — BitconnectCarlos
Jews are one family.
— BitconnectCarlos
:roll: Tell that to the non-Ashkenazim of color (Mizrani Jews, Sephardic Jews, Ethopian Jews, Indian Jews) in Israel who are racially discriminated against and treated as second-class Israelis:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel — 180 Proof
As long as I was to be executed within an hour of finishing, my "last meal" (today; probably a different menu tomorrow) would be:Say you're being executed, what would you order for your last meal? — frank