Because the tidy room is not coincidence. — Thinker
Well, it's not ice cream, either, is it?
Why not say that? — Terrapin Station
Why is this version of the same argument difficult for atheists to swallow? — TheMadFool
One thing is to be irrational, another to be fallacious or nonsensical.
Too bad this forum has no moderation. — Noblosh
there is no mess — TheMadFool
Non sequitur: Affirming the consequent. — Noblosh
What does cause and effect have to do with the idea of their being sentience behind the same? — Terrapin Station
If we're using this definition, humans and some other organisms would fall into the category of "God". — Harry Hindu
Actually no. Observations have shown that organization out of chaos is the result of the application of energy, not conscious agency. — Harry Hindu
There isn't order in the universe. — Harry Hindu
According to logic*. I don't have to come up with a counterargument if your argument is fallacious.according to you — TheMadFool
According to logic*. I don't have to come up with a counterargument if your argument is fallacious. — Noblosh
According to logic*. I don't have to come up with a counterargument if your argument is fallacious. — Noblosh
In which case a tidy room is unsurprising to the extent of being inevitable. Don't tell my kids. — unenlightened
The answer is simple: sin. They don't want to give up their sinful lifestyle. — lambda
No one can prove a sentient force put in motion cause and effect. All I can say is thank you for doing a good and orderly job. Can anybody prove a sentient force is not responsible? I have not heard that proof – yet. — Thinker
An untidy room can be caused by chaotic causes e.g. a strong wind, earthquake, etc. However, a tidy room can only be caused by a person. — TheMadFool
Can you give me a reason why order is insufficient reason to deduce the existence of God? — TheMadFool
An untidy room can be caused by chaotic causes e.g. a strong wind, earthquake, etc. However, a tidy room can only be caused by a person. — TheMadFool
So, the question becomes--why would we believe one option or another? What's the answer to that? — Terrapin Station
An untidy room can be caused by chaotic causes e.g. a strong wind, earthquake, etc. — TheMadFool
Preference – why do we have a predilection? Another untidy phenomenon thrown into the mix. Where did “it” come from? — Thinker
Now, we get back to the idea of coincidence – we are starting to get a lot of very fortunate coincidences. How lucky for us. — Thinker
Order is not defined as resulting from the actions of a conscious agency.Can you give me a reason why order is insufficient reason to deduce the existence of God? — TheMadFool
If there's no God, there's no proof for God's existence.I never got your argument of fallacious logic — Thinker
Back to the idea? You wouldn't say where the idea was coming from in the first place. — Terrapin Station
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