No. The only meaningful thing in their life becomes, oxymoronically, their depression. — Heister Eggcart
But I don't think life is ever more "happy" than it does suffer. — Heister Eggcart
Sort of, but not everyone. You're oversimplifying. — Heister Eggcart
Assertion that is "the only goal of a human life is to be happy".You judged that "nothing", right or wrong, is worst than life, so in your mind your overall better amount of satisfaction is in life not deah, your case does not contradict my assertion at all. — Hamtatro
It seems like you have ideas but I don't see any real convaincing argument compared to me and what i said, if you have nothing but assertions i would ask you to at least tell me where I'm wrong but not just by affirming things. — Hamtatro
Depression and sadness are two very different situations; I have never had depression, but I have been incredibly sad to a very dangerous point because the latter is based on objective or lived experiences, such as a broken heart when someone deceives you. Depression, on the other hand, is elusive and contains negative sensations that you are unaware of. As it is subconscious, it makes it all the more difficult to overcome because you are unable to reason or articulate it; this is the same with anxiety, only the latter conversely involves frustrated sensations. The only way to overcome either is to decipher the language either through writing or art. When you sense something, express the feelings, draw the images that may be in your mind; communicating emotions is difficult but it needs to be done and sometimes just having someone listen to you without judging you is enough; no one can help you, you just need to release, that is, release it from subjectivity and raise it up to consciousness, to the objective realm so that you are able to articulate it and understand it. Only through understanding can the heavy emotions dissipate.Going out of your way to not experience sadness or pain will only make sadness and pain that much worse. You should openly and freely accept all emotions that come your way. Depression can affect us on a physical level and it's important to know why you feel the way you do. Take time to relax and learn to think deeply about yourself and your feelings. It may not "cure" you but it will help you immensely. Depression isn't the enemy, fighting it is. — Grey
There's no "why" to going on living. You go on living because you are alive, simple. That's not a reason for it, simply how things are. — Agustino
Taking care of yourself is not an easy endeavour and some people are caught in a continuous loop like a scratched record because they refuse to take that step of separating themselves from the world around them. Some even thirst for drama as though their identity is based this heavy burden, as though they refuse happiness.but how can I achieve this mindstate? I want to believe this. What I really want is to be able to accept that I am here and just live life. Deep inside I don't want to hurt myself, my family and friends, but also I am extremely suicidal and don't know what to do. — rossii
By understanding what I just wrote. Suicide is pointless precisely because death is inevitable. Why would you hurry to be dead? It's not like you could even avoid it.but how can I achieve this mindstate? — rossii
Great, so then don't hurt yourself, your family and your friends. What would be the point of doing that?Deep inside I don't want to hurt myself, my family and friends, but also I am extremely suicidal and don't know what to do. — rossii
It appears that 1) has the better life, but, if 1) has the better life, then hedonism is false — Chany
life has a greater level of pain than of pleasure. If this is true, then, under hedonism, we run into serious challenges — Chany
However, if my third point is true, then they shouldn't necessarily kill themselves, because it is not as if the non-depressed person has it better — Chany
I don't see why 1 would have the better life than 2, if 2 see his life as if it was the life of 1. The quality of your life is in your mind, like everything else, I mean it is simple science not even philosophy. — Hamtatro
Hedonism is about happiness not about the number of great or bad things that happens to you. Its all about how people see their lives not about how they actually are. — Hamtatro
This idea sounds like the kind of jokes that people do to make fun of philosophy haha . And anyway your third point is false. — Hamtatro
We can look at the pessimists, existentialists, the Stoics; heck, even Epicureans, and they were hedonists. — Chany
Which would you prefer: the life of 1) or the life of 2)? I prefer 1), and I would venture most would agree with me. — Chany
Also, I do not like people using the word "science" to describe what effectively is philosophy. I've had enough of that on this site. — Chany
There is a book called Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence — Chany
here is serious discussion to be had about how much pleasure there really is in life, and whether we can seriously lead it — Chany
A person who is in serious pain in every waking moment but judges their life to be of relatively good quality does not appear to have a good life — Chany
But the way you feel these moments is only up to you, even if by the time most people will forget a bit about their pain, most of what makes a person happy is the way he feel his everyday life.They tend to forget the painful moments, the long stretches of repetitively mundane and pointless actions — Chany
I wouldn't want to have sex while I was writing this post. It would just be distracting and hinder me from doing what was important. Most of our lives are defined by avoiding various actions which would bring pleasure because we have more important things to do. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Most of our lives are defined by avoiding various actions which would bring pleasure because we have more important things to do. — TheWillowOfDarkness
I don't think so. More like when pleasure is detached from anything else, where the goal is pleasure, as opposed to doing something which is pleasurable. — TheWillowOfDarkness
There can be pleasure derived from spiritual practice though. Though, I think if you look at it closely it all comes down to physical pleasure, — Question
It depends what you mean, if i like to cook it is my pleasure to do so and it is not physical, but at the end it is the same thing which happen in my brain as if I was having sex, which is physical. — Hamtatro
Well i do take drugs time to time and it is because i want to feel good for a period of time (party) , it is not different than anything else that is pleasurable, you do it because it leads to a feeling of pleasure — Hamtatro
What's wrong with being depressed? — Question
The only thing "wrong" with depression, is that in many of it's forms, it's temporary, ameliorable or curable as is highly evident by numerous (if not most) cases in which it manifests. — Maw
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