• Wayfarer
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    The unit of survival is a flexible organism-in-its-environment.Bateson, Form, Substance, and Difference

    That is perfectly in keeping with the ‘mind-created world’. Bateson is one of the sources of ‘enactivism’ and a major influence in The Embodied Mind, which comprehensively deconstructed ‘the view from nowhere’.
  • Paine
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    I recognize that influence. I submit that it is incompatible with the Gerson view of Platonism.

    You seem to want to have both at the same time.
  • Wayfarer
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    I submit that it is incompatible with the Gerson view of Platonism.Paine

    Sure, but that is not a topic of debate in this thread.
  • Paine
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    So, I should not connect all the things you have said as the continuity of your thought?

    I suffer from institutional memory.
  • Wayfarer
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    They’re different topics, but there is a way of connecting them, subject of a forthcoming OP.
  • alleybear
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    If you say, the world is created by your mind, I feel your world is likely to be very much in illusion. A perceived world sounds more accurate.Corvus

    Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a person's created world and a person's perceived world?
  • JuanZu
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    The world perceived by a mind has an external cause that may be of a different nature from the mind (classical dualism).

    The mind-created world, as I understand the OP, has no external cause and is a monism where everything that exists has mental properties.
  • Wayfarer
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    The mind-created world, as I understand the OP, has no external cause and is a monism where everything that exists has mental properties.JuanZu

    Not quite what it says. I don't claim that the mind is constitutive of objects in the way that wood is constitutive of boats or clay of pots. It is an epistemological arrgument.

    I acnowledge that the word 'created' might be a poor choice of words in the context. I'm referring more to the role of the mind in constructing or synthesising what we take to be a completely independent and external world.
  • Gnomon
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    I acnowledge that the word 'created' might be a poor choice of words in the context.Wayfarer
    Was that controversial key-word a Freudian slip, or intentional challenge, to keep this thread going in circles for 70 pages? :wink:

    Reality vs Ideality : Divine Creation vs Human Construct vs Cosmic Accident
  • Wayfarer
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    In Western metaphysics, ‘creation’ has a specific status, reserved for the Creator (‘creature’ meaning ‘created being’). It is of course used more broadly nowadays, for all manner of creative work, but it still retains some overtones, in the philosophical context. But I’m not going to retroactively update it. Besides, ‘mind-constructed world’ just doesn’t have a ring to it.
  • Punshhh
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    In Plotinus, the soul animates matter as far as it can. The source is a power that can only go so far because matter is never completely mastered by form. The origin of that soul is from before our birth. Plotinus has also said he has visited that realm through contemplation.
    Nicely put, (I’m not familiar with Plotinus), I would go further. There are a constellation of souls including some who instantiate matter from pre matter. But I would caution that these latter souls are very distant from our own, (“ Some very old material is moving through”, from your post).
    Perhaps it is time we consider the role played by the distant past.
  • Paine
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    The search function on the site is pretty darn good at locating where this has been discussed in the past.

    I will withhold from saying more about it in this thread.
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