But please, I am not responsible for Timeline's coquettish improprieties, and our contacts, such as they are, have at all times been both public and well chaperoned. Young ladies are sometimes prone to flights of fancy, which should not be taken seriously, or repeated as if they are factual. — unenlightened
But to you, do you think buying a Valentine's Day card is a game if both find it a meaningful gesture that truly expresses love? — Hanover
Young? Lady? — T Clark
You should have sent some earlier. — unenlightened
Why all this talk of flowers?
Have I not mentioned the word chocolate once or twice to you guys? :roll:
It's like a pony keg of beer for you all... — ArguingWAristotleTiff
All ladies are forever young, and the details of their toilette are not a suitable topic of conversation unless like Hanover, it is the sincere expression of your love. — unenlightened
They may be valid for others that are like you.These observations are based on my own experiences, although I think they have more general validity. — T Clark
It's great that you're working things out for yourself.I’m bringing this out here because I want to examine it. — T Clark
Assuming you're not joking, do you think this is an adult position to take?I’ve shown I have insults and bitter vituperation ready and I’m willing to use them if I feel that I’m being mistreated. — T Clark
These observations are based on my own experiences, although I think they have more general validity.
— T Clark
They may be valid for others that are like you.
I’m bringing this out here because I want to examine it.
— T Clark
It's great that you're working things out for yourself. — praxis
I’ve shown I have insults and bitter vituperation ready and I’m willing to use them if I feel that I’m being mistreated.
— T Clark
Assuming you're not joking, do you think this is an adult position to take? — praxis
Even if you're right, that this only applies to people like me, it's social consequence is probably a lot broader. — T Clark
men are emotionally afraid of women — T Clark
Our desire for sex and mature human intimacy is all mixed up with a childish yearning for surrender. For someone to find us and give us back what we’ve lost. Take care of us. The fact that the people we relate to can’t, shouldn’t, don’t want to, don’t know they should, don’t know how to give us what we want leads to incredible resentment, again, most strongly in our intimate relationships, but also more generally. — T Clark
Because people like you are socially consequential? — praxis
Men who are emotionally... let's say underdeveloped, must have problems when dealing with all emotional situation that exceed their development and not just situations involving women, right? If this is the case, then we might conclude that people with low EQ are emotionally afraid of people with high EQ. On the other hand, people with high EQ, if they actually do have high EQ, should be able to succesfully put an emotionally underdeveloped individual at ease. — praxis
I guess that I don't know what you mean when you say that men are emotionally afraid of women. Can you explain? — praxis
There's more than one kind of 'surrender' and it isn't exactly clear which you mean, although you do mention being 'taken care of' and a 'childish yearning'. I can relate to the desire for the carefree days of boyhood and having no responsibilities, if that's what you mean. I know a couple of adults who seem to want to be taken care of in this way, as though they were children. It's pretty uncommon, in my experience.
Another sort of surrender is transcendent. You can kind of lose yourself in sexual intimacy with someone you love. I wouldn't call that a childish yearning. I do believe it's a deep yearning that we all share though. — praxis
(1) lame because the first part attempted to sincerely paint a romantic and sexually tense moment, yet it didn't. — Hanover
creepy because it felt like you were truly trying to woo someone with your comments but they were (1) lame — Hanover
The punch line (the fart) was (3) not absurd, but simply a faux pas that could actually happen. — Hanover
In terms of (3), absurd isn't a fart, it's a penguin flying into someone's vagina and pecking through their cervix to extract their 12 year old son who's annoyed because you disrupted his poetry reading. — Hanover
You are not a peacock. If you were a peacock, I would be mesmerised, your feathers would attract me to a dizzying point of hypnosis and I would be compelled to give you all that you desire without even knowing why. Right now, all that I desire is to eat a hazelnut sundae in a massive bowl with chocolate sauce and wafer and crushed whatever sweet thing I can find in the cupboard before crying myself to sleep. — TimeLine
You're more like a shaved bird sitting awkwardly in the corner chirping. — TimeLine
Why all the hand wringing, rationalizing. TL has made it pretty clear she doesn't find it welcome. Does anyone interpret her response differently than that? What more is there to say? — T Clark
Is EQ emotional intelligence? I talking men and women, not general social difficulties. I don't think women are more "developed" than men or vise versa. — T Clark
People in general care what other people think of them. They want to be regarded with respect and affection. More specifically, more strongly, I think men care very much what women think of them. It's tied in with longing. Men want women to love them and take care of them. That gives women a lot of power over them. They have the power to hurt them with their scorn and that is frightening. — T Clark
I think the same is true for women, maybe less strongly. I'm not sure about that.
Hard to describe. It definitely feels very vulnerable, childish. It's not a willful, adult feeling. You give yourself, surrender your will and desires to the other person in the hopes, expectations they will be close and intimate with you. That they will love you, hold you, protect you. I sure hope someone else will come along who can be more articulate about this than I am. — T Clark
Can't a man write satirical erotica for a woman without everyone trying to make it about sex?
It's 2018 people... — VagabondSpectre
I guess that I didn't understand your phrasing. Fear is an emotion, so it's redundant to say "emotionally afraid." That being the case, I though you were saying something to the effect that men were afraid of emotions in relation to women. Anyway, difficulties between men and women is social and rather general. — praxis
Fear of appearing worthless is basically insecurity. You appear to be making the general claim that men are insecure. — praxis
A two minute search shows that in Western industrialized countries, according to research published by the American Psychological Association, men generally have higher levels of self-esteem than women. — praxis
I don't claim to be particularly mature now, but I do recall this sort of feeling when I was younger. Having said that, I should admit that in the relationship with my wife, she is far stronger and more capable than I. She's smarter, better looking, more willful and social, better educated, and she makes more money than I do. So maybe I've secured my childish yearning (to be loved and taken care of) and therefore no longer feel its influence? I know that I'm more dependent than I should be, and not entirely in a romantic or in a subsistence kind of way. Maybe that's what you're referring to. — praxis
As a result inserting someone's name or nickname into the written story increases the connection between the reader and her inner being that she often keeps protected from being put into vulnerable positions. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
And this is how I learn how my name has been demeaned and used for a cheap thrill? — Hanover
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