YOU claimed that women are inherently inferior in math, while at the same time insisting that all is equal. Your contradiction, not mine. Live with it, and don´t try to change the subject. — Nobeernolife
Well, you’re not living in the West by my understanding - your perception of it is serving to justify your rejection of it, so I’ll take that with a pinch of salt, if you don’t mind. — Possibility
You’re only expressing a general fear and misunderstanding of women — Possibility
To feel that you are only ‘safe’ in the company of your own sex. — Possibility
Why must we draw battle lines on the grounds of gender? — Possibility
particularly those of a sexual or romantic nature — Possibility
Well, if a woman starts black mouthing you and even spreading outright lies about you, it can be very damaging to your reputation as a man. — alcontali
These candidates could also have picked something else to do, instead of pursuing a career in which they would incessantly have to trade sex for opportunities. You can see the same phenomenon at the office. Sex is a powerful tool to convince the boss to promote you or just not to fire you. — alcontali
So what? Is this ‘reputation as a man’ going to affect anything except your ability to get laid? — Possibility
One should not have to trade sex for opportunities in the film industry OR in the office. — Possibility
I think that, in the West, men increasingly distrust women and do not believe a word they say. — IvoryBlackBishop
Sorry, I'll never be sympathetic with this; a "rich" fellow like Weinstein or others caught in sex scandals obviously had enough money that even if they were too ugly and repellant to attract female attention spontaneously, could, at very least have spent all of the money they wanted to on prostitutes.You see, Weinstein is undoubtedly an arsehole, just like pretty much anybody who has the power to recruit or reject aspiring actresses. Power corrupts. It is so obvious that he could extract sex out of these girls, in exchange for some vague promises. Still, it takes two to tango. These candidates could also have picked something else to do, instead of pursuing a career in which they would incessantly have to trade sex for opportunities. You can see the same phenomenon at the office. Sex is a powerful tool to convince the boss to promote you or just not to fire you.
I do not think that aspiring actresses necessarily care much about that. If she is not attached, and not a virgin either, her price can drop very low. In fact, that phenomenon is not even limited to actresses. If she is thirsty, she may even do it for a glass of water; or if she is hungry, trade it for a hamburger. There is no bottom to the price, actually. — alcontali
This is based on your in-depth understanding of how women think and what they care about - or just on your wounded ego? — Possibility
It seems clear to me that you know absolutely zero about real women — Possibility
you’ve narrowly escaped the incel culture in the West — Possibility
seeking a niche where you can conceal your disrespect and direct your hatred towards ‘Western culture’ — Possibility
when what you really hate is how you saw yourself — Possibility
Most women would see your insincerity and contempt from a mile away. — Possibility
a "rich" fellow like Weinstein — IvoryBlackBishop
others caught in sex scandals obviously had enough money — IvoryBlackBishop
if they were too ugly and repellant to attract female attention spontaneously — IvoryBlackBishop
could, at very least have spent all of the money they wanted to on prostitutes — IvoryBlackBishop
So, to lower themselves to such an inferior level as to make inappropriate advances at women, is really quite sad and pathetic — IvoryBlackBishop
It's full of videos on Minecraft and My Little Pony as well. As an "alpha" man, it's... interesting to see that you consider random YouTube videos to be your primary source of information on things.Ha aha ah ;-) That is the "who hurt you?" argument. Youtube is full of funny videos on that subject!
Why not just ask your wife's boyfriend instead?I will ask my wife. Maybe she agrees! ;-)
What I heard is that there is an "incel subculture" in East Asia or Japan, which is where all of the childish stereotypes and jokes about single men masturbating to "waifu pillows" come from. In fact, I almost thought the whole thing originated in "Japan" and made it way to the west like a badly translated anime cartoon series.The qualification "narrowly" is a bit of a stretch, given the fact that it takes less than $100 to fly out of the West to places where there is no "incel culture".
You've failed to substantiate what you mean by "public" school indoctrination camps, or why the same phenomina wouldn't exist in "private" school, "home" school, or any other K-12 oriented scholastic setting.First of all, they may be a bit too feminized by their single-mother family background and the public-school indoctrination camps to do well, even in other areas of the world.
I'm glad that you defer yourself to what random Youtubers, many of them likely virgins, invoking a philosophy which is just a poor mans pop version of Frederick Nietzschean existentialism.According to the red-pill philosophy, "woke" men, i.e. "white knights" are thoroughly and universally disliked by women.
You're going to need to define what you mean by "feminist ideology".In that view, if a man buys into the feminist ideology, he will probably have to forsake sexual relationships.
1. What falsehoods, and what makes them falsehoods without circular reasoning?Incels are deemed to be men who believe the falsehoods that (western) women say about themselves,
I don't believe that is the problem with "incels" no.and who therefore fail at achieving anything.
Even a simple nightclub bouncer has that power. He can let people in or refuse them entry. You will immediately notice that there are girls who will offer sex in exchange for his favours. That is why even bouncers have an endless stream of trysts with these silly girls.
You have no reason to believe this unilaterally, beyond just blind assumption reinforced by confirmation bias. Anymore than whatever strain of 'radical feminism' or what not believes any and all nonsense accusations simply because he was a "man" (courts and the court processes were designed with the rightful purpose and intent of filtering out irrelevant nobodies, gossip mongers, and otherwise socially irrelevant vermin like the above, in favor of rationality and formal procedure, which is why I am glad for them and their existence).It is the women themselves who were making the advances. Weinstein didn't have to lift a finger for that to happen.
Which ones?All he did, was sitting in that chair, with his fat belly and ugly grin, selecting female candidates for actressing gigs. He could have been farting the most stinking winds while he was doing that, it would not have made a difference. The woman would have ignored it and still have had sex with him on the spot.
Dating has turned out to become a complete nightmare. It wasn't a good idea in the first place, but look at what it has degenerated into: Tinder hookups. In the greater light of things, arranging marriages make so much more sense. Still, people are foolhardy. They will never admit that they are wrong.
You see, I never say that kind of things, because I am very aware of how dangerous it is to do that. In your case, I am sure that you will discover that too ... one day or the other! ;-) — alcontali
Not unless I move to a Muslim country — IvoryBlackBishop
now go ask your wife's boyfriend. — IvoryBlackBishop
Anecdotal evidence is, in most if not all ways, superior to other forms of evidence, such as inferior so-called "empirical" evidence, or what is often so erroneously claimed to be such, or based on such, by many, if not most, particularily ignorant members of uneducated or undereducated "masses".With anecdotal evidence, you can "prove" whatever you want. I am talking about society in general.
Regarding your claims about "incels", I'm curious and wondering?
How does one prove that they or someone else is an "incel" to begin with? How many girls do they have to ask on a date, or attempt to 'seduce' and get rejected by in order for them to qualify as an "incel"? — IvoryBlackBishop
As far as your other claims, like I said, I've heard people make both kinds of claims, whether it's you claiming education is "girl-oriented", or claims that it is "boy-oriented" due to its emphasis on mathematics, and a presumably inferiority in that area on the part of girls or women due to testosterone's positive correlation with higher level mathematical and spatial reasoning ability. — IvoryBlackBishop
No, I don't understand.This is not about individual situations, this about society in general. The vast majority of young males are heterosexual and are thus looking for females. With a general 50/50 male/female ration that generally works out.
Now if you have large surplus of males, you inevitably have a number of young males looking for females but unable to find one... thus, incels.
That there any number of indivial situations is a given... I am not talking about that. I was talking about society as whole. So hard to understand? — Nobeernolife
If you're talking about K-12 education, my opinion is that given that the "bare minimum" level one will attain from this education is ultimately not very significant, given that it's oriented toward an average 100 IQ and 6th grade reading level, I find many of the claims histrionic, especially in regards to people pursuing self-learning higher level education or career pursuits and so on.Actually, you brought up mathematics, not I. And yes, education is increasingly girl-oriented to the detriment of boys. This is about the learning environment, not about the choice of topics. You might want to check out Jonathan Haidt, who has researched this extensively. Also you might want to read the paper that got James Damore fired from Google for addressing exactly the same issue (in regard to work environment at Google, not at schools, but it is the same issue).
I said "if". It depends on the society. For example, in a society that practises polygamy, by defintion there is a surplus of incels.No, I don't understand.
What are you saying, society in general has a "surplus" of males? — IvoryBlackBishop
I am not talking about how anyone "identifies" themselves, I am talking about simple biological facts.Nor do I understand any rational reason why a person would "identify" or fame themselves on the basis of how much "sex" they're getting (or not), — IvoryBlackBishop
I believe you've failed to use these "facts" in anyway which resembles a meaningful point you are trying to make.Same applies for a society with selective abortion of female babies (i.e. China with its 1 child policy). These are simple demographic facts.
If your making these assumptions on the bases of hypothetical "warrior" societies, then it's probable that male death rate is much higher than average, which might help to "even things out" a bit. — IvoryBlackBishop
Ultimately, I am not inclined to be very sympathetic; life is not all about "sex", and the type of men who would be able to date a "hot celebrity chick" l — IvoryBlackBishop
So-called "whites" and English-speaking peoples are already a "minority" globally, compared to China and India's populations; nor does everything which currently "is" necessarily even need "replacement", — IvoryBlackBishop
I said nothing about "whites" and "English speaking people", why do keep changing the topic? When you replace one population with a different one, you get a different society, that applies everywher. I.e. when China replaces Tibetan and Uigur populations with Han Chinese populations, the societies of Tibet and Xinyian change drastically. Again, I am simply stating a fact --- I don´t know what you do not understand or disagree with here.
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