Will to live encapsulates many instincts... drink water? will to live? eat food? will to live? etc...
The three words "will to live" may only not be instincts because they're used to describe instincts. — Key
Also I'm not entirely sure that's true... — Key
But why do you exist? All you've said so far is to eat and drink. If everyone thought that there would be no procreation hence you would not exist. I'm confused. — 3017amen
Subtle distinction: I exist because I have a will to live that includes eating and drinking. — Key
It's not my argument. And no one claims you cannot know God completely. The argument is that "God" as defined/understood cannot be known at all. — tim wood
This is the main point of contention that you seemed to just brush past in the first part of your reply. Why can’t it go on forever? Every contingent thing has a source. Sometimes that source is another contingent thing. Which might in turn be sourced to another contingent thing. Why at some point must it be different? Why not an infinite string of contingent things sourced from other continent things? — Pfhorrest
But you’ll also say that graphite is contingent, no? — Pfhorrest
Maybe it is. If energy, as we define it, is contingent upon some deeper substance/energy then that deeper substance is the substance of energy. But there may be an even deeper substance and so on for a bit. But only for a bit. The process of deconstruction cannot continue forever. It cannot be 'turtles all the way down'.And is that energy contingent or not? — Pfhorrest
But there may be an even deeper substance and so on for a bit. But only for a bit. The process of deconstruction cannot continue forever. It cannot be 'turtles all the way down'. — EnPassant
The Cosmological Argument says that contingent things must have a beginning. Otherwise there are only states without substance and I d — EnPassant
Even if that was true, which it isn’t, how do you decide where to stop and say “this is the last turtle”? How do you know your God is the last turtle, or that energy or spacetime or the inflation field or something like that isn’t? — Pfhorrest
And just because everything comes from something doesn’t mean there is one particular thing from which all other things come; each thing can come from a different thing. — Pfhorrest
If only this were true, eh? Unfortunately, utterly lacking in evidence as it is (and the arguments for God's existence being, without exception, either invalid or question-begging), it is dependent (almost completely) on faith, and is not a reasonable (i.e. sufficiently warranted) viewpoint. If it were, then for consistency's sake it would have to follow that pretty much anything is a reasonable viewpoint (regardless of the absence of positive evidence, or abundance of contrary evidence), and that anything goes- young earth creationism, flat earthism, moon landing denial, anti-vaxxism, and so on. But its not a reasonable viewpoint, and so we're not committed to such an unfortunate consequence (thankfully).Theism is not dependent only on faith. It is a reasonable viewpoint.
and that anything goes- young earth creationism, flat earthism, moon landing denial, anti-vaxxism, and so on. — Enai De A Lukal
And we may not in practice be able to eliminate all bias, but me can move arbitrarily far in the direction of less bias, and have a notion of the unbiased ideal we are moving toward. — Pfhorrest
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