I’ve also read you in many threads on censorship and free speech pooh-poohing the topic. — NOS4A2
Nah. I doubt anyone in this whole thing really thinks of others. It's just politically correct to say one is doing it "for others". It makes for such good PR.
— baker
I can only speak for myself, but I did it for others, not myself. Specifically my wife and son. While I want to live, I'm not married to life. I'm married to my wife and I love my son. I also don't want to be the one that murders some other poor sap for no reason other than my own pseudo skepticism.
I suspect that a great many people who got the vaccine think along the same line. But I could be wrong. — James Riley
Eh?P.S. Put this in the back of your brain pan for future reference: Did Isis or AQ or some other group weaponize this?
And what does that say about your mother, your father, your family, your community, and the lessons they taught you? And the lessons you teach others, God help us!
At the end of the day, it's all about confidence. It's not even about health.
— baker
Yep, tell that to the scared, suffering, incubated, and dying, and to the people who care for them and about them. And tell that to the people who end up paying for it all, namely all of us. (And give no thought at all to any science of the matter!)
Btw, are you vaccinated? Do you ever go to a doctor or take people you care about to the doctor? Or do you care about anyone, or anyone you? — tim wood
Really? — baker
So we're supposed to believe that, for example, people who drive aggressively, who tailgate, cut in front, run others off the road etc. suddenly become paragons of compassion and empathy when a pandemic strikes? That men who refuse to wear condoms and who routinely risk the health and life of their female sex partners suddenly grew a conscience? Employers who have their workers work in unsafe conditions now suddenly "care about others"? Really? — baker
Have you noticed that in the beginning, when they began vaccinating and vaccination was limited to the elderly and some other critical groups, the medical protocols were quite different than they are now? — baker
Your hostility is duly noted. Which of my bills are you willing to pay? — baker
But of course, the placebo effect is real, and a great optimism about a medical treatment can contribute to better treatment outcomes. I actually envy the optimists. It must be great to be that way. Yay!!!! I wish I could be like that. Just close my eyes, not think, not feel, just go along with what those in positions of power say, and be happy, happy, happy. — baker
:100:I'm not willing to pay any of your bills. If you don't social distance, don't mask and don't vax, and if you get sick and go to the hospital and take up a bed that my wife or kid or me need for covid or some other reason, I will no only not pay your bills, but I'll rip the vent out of your mouth and dump your worthles carcass out the window and tell the Hippocratic Oath doc to forget your ass and get to work on me or mine. — James Riley
Such people are rats, snakes, weasels, vermin. And sometimes dealing with vermin is just plain a necessity — tim wood
On this issue I happen to agree. If Trump had moved to work with private companies to censor speech, liberals would have had cried and moaned like the little bitches they are. Yet somehow Biden, who is in every way as shit as Trump, in many way worse, does exactly this, suddenly it's OK. If these morons want a daddy who will tell them what they are allowed to access, they will get one. — StreetlightX
Nah. I doubt anyone in this whole thing really thinks of others. It's just politically correct to say one is doing it "for others". It makes for such good PR.
— baker
How did you come to be such an authority on the motivations of others? — Janus
we're supposed to believe that, for example, people who drive aggressively, who tailgate, cut in front, run others off the road etc. suddenly become paragons of compassion and empathy when a pandemic strikes? That men who refuse to wear condoms and who routinely risk the health and life of their female sex partners suddenly grew a conscience? Employers who have their workers work in unsafe conditions now suddenly "care about others"? Really? — baker
The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error. — John Stuart Mill
I believe you but there are those who are not interested in the truth [...] — Abu Hirawa (Misfits 2021)
You think people change just like that, over night? Because of a pandemic? — baker
And don't forget that the fully vaccinated are still spreading the disease. In fact, they are superspreaders, given the freedoms they have. — baker
Hatred and contempt bind people closer together than love, indeed.It's well known that when people face adversity together it can bring them together. — Janus
That is your inference, not my implication.In any case I was taking with your generalising human nature by implying that everyone is primarily motivated by self-interest,
Like I said:That some vaccinated people, due to breakthrough infection, are spreading covid is undeniable. That they are superspreaders has not been established. That said I think even the vaccinated should be adhering to the normal protocols designed to minimise transmission as long as there is covid in the community.
In fact, they are superspreaders, given the freedoms they have. — baker
But they don't. In fact, the whole idea of covid vaccination is that one can "go back to normal" once vaccinated.That said I think even the vaccinated should be adhering to the normal protocols designed to minimise transmission as long as there is covid in the community.
"I Don't Know How To Explain To You That You Should Care About Other People." Dr. Fauci — James Riley
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