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I see. So, if I may ask, what's the German model? Are we talking about the bureaucracy or education here? Did you know America is #1 in tertiary education? — Agent Smith
Not in the least. In fact, you seem to have thrown a lot of ideas into a big pot, but, like America, they refused to melt into an alloy. — Vera Mont
Yes, a lot of ideas in a big pot is a complex concept. — Athena
Democracy is a complex concept. — Athena
"There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people." Thomas Jefferson — Athena
Yes, a lot of ideas in a big pot is a complex concept. — Athena
When it coalesces, yes. I don't think yours did.
Democracy is a complex concept. — Athena
Not really. Every citizen has a right to choose leaders and influence policy.
"There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people." Thomas Jefferson — Athena
Bullshit, Tom! You wanted to keep your slaves, including your own bastard children.
Hypocrisy we have always with us - past and present.
Also corruption, will to power and dominance, deception, avarice, aggression, resentment, jealousy, arrogance and rage, mental illness, religious delusion, addiction, bigotry and plain old everyday disagreement.
America has never closely resembled its own image of itself or the image it presents to the world. But then, neither does any other country. Some are just more opaque than others; some have been luckier; some are more demographically diverse. Some nations, like individual persons, have a self-image that's less distorted than others'. — Vera Mont
democracy is far more than choosing leaders. It is also about being one of them. — Athena
Democracy is rule by reason, not authority over the people. — Athena
What is important is the wisdom to keep things in harmony with the universe — Athena
The slavery issue was a complex one — Athena
Jefferson was influenced by the reasoning the enlightenment and I think it is important to hold a better understanding of his struggle and what the enlightenment has to do with opposition to slavery. — Athena
As in influencing policy? Seriously, which farm-hand, miner or railway porter ever got within sniffing distance of active leadership? — Vera Mont
What is important is the wisdom to keep things in harmony with the universe
— Athena
Sounds nice. What does it mean in daily life? — Vera Mont
And, as to the complexity of the slave issue....? — Vera Mont
Nothing. No European nation in the 15th to 17th century had any qualms about subjugating peoples who were less well armed than they were.
It's not about Reason. It's about profit vs. conscience.
The Quakers saw this quite clearly... I wonder why all those sophisticated, educated, bewigged and worldly gentlemen did not. — Vera Mont
Scholasticism was a medieval school of philosophy that employed a critical organic method of philosophical analysis predicated upon the Aristotelian 10 Categories. Christian scholasticism emerged within the monastic schools that translated scholastic Judeo—Islamic philosophies, and thereby "rediscovered" the collected works of Aristotle. Endeavoring to harmonize his metaphysics and its account of a prime mover with the Latin Catholic dogmatic trinitarian theology, these monastic schools became the basis of the earliest European medieval universities, and scholasticism dominated education in Europe from about 1100 to 1700.[1] The rise of scholasticism was closely associated with these schools that flourished in Italy, France, Portugal, Spain and England.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholasticism — Wikipedia
Bacon has been called the father of empiricism.[7] He argued for the possibility of scientific knowledge based only upon inductive reasoning and careful observation of events in nature. He believed that science could be achieved by the use of a sceptical and methodical approach whereby scientists aim to avoid misleading themselves. Although his most specific proposals about such a method, the Baconian method, did not have long-lasting influence, the general idea of the importance and possibility of a sceptical methodology makes Bacon one of the later founders of the scientific method. — Wikipedia
Good enough to have a pretty firm grasp on the sequence of events. Not good enough to follow your line of deduction from 4th c BCE Athens to 20th c America. — Vera Mont
Good enough to have a pretty firm grasp on the sequence of events. Not good enough to follow your line of deduction from 4th c BCE Athens to 20th c America. — Vera Mont
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