That's the question I ask the indirect realist!What do you mean when you say 'touch the ball directly'? — flannel jesus
But I will repeat a point that may have gone unnoticed. The argument, in the title and in the OP, is framed as if there were two sides, the one being indirect realists who point out various anomalies they think show that we never perceive things directly; and a presumed opposition who think that somehow we do perceive things directly...
But why not reject the very framing of the argument in those terms:
There is an alternative, which is to reject the juxtaposition of direct and indirect experiences entirely, and admit that we do sometimes see (hear, touch, smell...) things as they are; and that indeed this is essential in order for us to be able to recognise those occasions in which we see (hear, touch, smell...) things in the world erroneously.
— Banno — Banno
That's the question I ask the indirect realist! — Banno
The argument that dislodged me from my belief has already been alluded to. It's the infinite regress argument. Suppose that we're only indirectly aware of reality. If so then how are we aware of our perceptions? Aren't we a step away from those too? — Moliere
What are the underlying beliefs you think are the same? — Moliere
You can slip in as many layers of "reality" as you like in the notion to justify whatever you want, in spite of your senses. — Moliere
you did ask, though -- and I answered — Moliere
I'm not tempted to define realism in opposition to idealism, for instance. — Moliere
I think a realist is open to non-causal relations, as long as they are real. — Moliere
I reject the dichotomy of the 2 realisms. They are not direct and indirect realism. There is no such difference or categories in the realism.Please give constructive feedback and arguments — Ashriel
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