And what you just said means that it wasn't a US staged coup. And the post-coup government lasted for few months until the elections in the same year where the extreme-right lost."All I have" are US state officials confessing to funneling billions of USD to Ukraine, and being deeply involved in the construction of the post-coup government. — Tzeentch
Let's remember that the Revolution of Dignity started from a foreign trade policy issue, which inherently made the EU part of this.In what world would you ask "Is that all?" when this happens in a supposedly democratic country? — Tzeentch
And your view is largely irrelevant, as people understand that this war started from the annexation of Crimea and the separatism in the Donbas area in 2014.Whether you accept that the United States played a role in the coup is largely irrelevant, because this is more than enough proof of American meddling in Ukraine, which as many have argued is what sparked this conflict. — Tzeentch
I think there are several reasons just why the corporate manager level transformed from high paid employees to a class of their own in the US. First is that because of institutional investors (mutual funds, pension funds, etc) in ownership, hence corporations owning each other, and the emergence of an trained leadership which aren't entrepreneur-owners, but have started their career through an academic training in business managerial skills. Hence there has become this class of executives that have the real power in the corporation. In the 19th Century and still in young industries you the Bill Gates / Elon Musk types, individuals that have started their own companies and created them to be giants. These are typically replace professional career managers, who usually haven't been entrepreneurs or done their own startups.I’m trying to find more information on the history of CEO compensation and changes in performance metrics. I think the shift started around 1990 or so. — Mikie
Facts aren't propaganda.Russia is opposed to the US. It's going to promote any story that reflects negatively on the US.
If you're going to repress all Russian propaganda you're effectively denying all opposition to the US, since all negative actions of the US will undoubtedly figure in Russian propaganda. — Isaac
Don't put words in my mouth. What I'm against is the reurgitation of Russian propaganda and to say that the US staged the Revolution of Dignity, not that it (the US) tried to influence Ukrainian actors (and those actors trying to get help from the US)when the protests were already under way, but that the US literally staged a coup.↪ssu scarcely acknowledged the possibility of US involvement. — Tzeentch
It's an example of the obsessive short term view of focusing on the next quarter.Buybacks should be banned immediately.
More evidence of capitalism gone off the rails. Thanks, Reagan. — Mikie
Exactly and well put.There is no secret about the pursuit of U.S. interests and their intention to support ties to the E.U.
This influx of support does not show that the revolution was engineered by outsiders.
Since the violence wielded by the Yanukovych regime was a decisive factor in the growth of the revolution, your planners would have had to have been behind that as well. Pretty crafty. — Paine
And this latter I would agree, as Ukraine had elections (which changed the power structure) not only in 2014, but afterwards which change the political landscape a lot.Foreign NGOs and IGOs did indeed provide some small levels of support to several independent news groups, and SMOs in 2013, but this was clearly ad hoc and recipient actioned. Moreover, as was explained by one Kyiv based embassy worker, most foreign actors, be they diplomats or NGOs focused on elite actors and attempted to help broker a deal (author’s correspondence February 14, 2014, NYC). Ukrainian political insiders, have informally also complained about the lack of initial interest and then later mismanagement of the EuroMaidan crisis specifically by leaders of the EU (and EU member states) and the United States. Thus it is difficult to discern the real influence these actors had on the mobilization process.
It is possible, as I have argued elsewhere, that our focus on foreign actors oftentimes over-exaggerates not only their role in the mobilization process, but also their ability to influence actors and events.
Btw everybody puts the start of the war there with the annexation of Crimea and the Donetsk and Luhansk uprisings. February 24th last year was a dramatic escalation.The United States played a role in the successful effort to stage a coup d'etat in Ukraine in 2013-2014 to overthrow Yanukovyc. Sachs marks this event and the subsequent invasion of Crimea in February of 2014 as the start of the Ukraine war. — Tzeentch
If you would read correctly, it is about invading and annexing territories from neighbors. Hence when it comes to for example China, Vietnam can be worried about them (even if China hasn't called Vietnam an artificial country), but likely Portugal isn't worried so much about China. I think Mexico would mind if the US annexed let's say Baja California from them. And with US Presidents declaring Canada or Mexico to be artificial constructions.Are Canada worried? Is Mexico? America is the single most interventionist country in the world, by a long, long way. — Isaac
Classic case of a state annexing territory for defensive reasons. That still makes it so that Israelis have a map of their own while the other world accepts another map, which shows the discord. Even if Israel is a nation state and doesn't want to be multiethnic, it still has done things that are typical for imperialists. Right from it's inception.As to... "just has invaded in the past decades two of it's neighbors"... are Israel imperialist? — Isaac


Needless to go over all the states as many have their own special cases. But for example Morocco is in the same category of annexing territories with Spanish Sahara. Imperialism isn't surely just limited to the Western countries.Is India, Pakistan, Bangladesh Myanmar, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Morocco, Spain, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Sudan, Syria, Turkey... All of whom have been involved in military clashes over border territory in the last two decades. — Isaac
the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas
Likely Moldova, which has a frozen conflict and Russian troops inside it or do you refer to my country in the past? Well, I think I know what that means.Or neutral (double emphasis) border states - what Ukraine was and threatened to no longer be as a result of continued United States foreign policy. — Tzeentch
You really don't see the annexations of territory done through force as imperialism, really?there is no evidence for it, — Tzeentch
You have to first tell just why, if this all was an American provocation, why did Putin be provoked? That fact is that Russia is meddling similarly in former Soviet republics that aren't coming to NATO. And being member of Russia's alliance, the CSTO, doesn't work like you would think in a defense pact. In fact the picture of what you have of NATO and the US would be far more appropriate to the relation of Russia and the CSTO.I am entertaining the hypothesis that the United States intentionally sought to provoke long-lasting conflict between Europe and Russia. — Tzeentch
Or for Russia. Already as the Russian military is failing in Ukraine, it is having ripple effect in the Caucasus and in Central Asia with the former Soviet Republics. If everything goes bad, it can be extremely bad.It seems inevitable that the only ending to this war can be great disaster - either great disaster for Putin, or great disaster for the whole world. — Wayfarer
There are many smaller countries who think so. Not every country is like the UK, Russia or the US.Wishful thinking. — Isaac
A country that just has invaded in the past decades two of it's neighbors and annexed territories from them? Yeah, well, you'll be on there on your own peaceful island, not sharing a border with Putin.No. The point was that your definition becomes pointless by being too inclusive. If Russia is 'imperialist' in your sense, then it's nothing to worry about. — Isaac
Nonsense, likely you have imperialism either in the woke category of things like "racism" or likely as the nearly religious satanism as it's used by the Marxists. Russia is basically still an Empire, so it's really no wonder that it has imperial aspirations.You want 'imperialism' to mean something so much more sinister. — Isaac
To seek to acquire territory in pursuit of a national security has been the modus operandi for Russia basically for all it's entire existence.Why would it be impossible for a nation to seek to acquire territory in pursuit of a national security goal? — Tzeentch
A lot of countries don't want political and economic control of other states. They just want to sell stuff to them and have normal, working relations. Not meddle in their internal politics with the objective to control them.Then what fucking country isn't imperialist? — Isaac
June 9 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin paid tribute on Thursday to Tsar Peter the Great on the 350th anniversary of his birth, drawing a parallel between what he portrayed as their twin historic quests to win back Russian lands.
"Peter the Great waged the Great Northern War for 21 years. It would seem that he was at war with Sweden, he took something from them. He did not take anything from them, he returned (what was Russia's)," Putin said after a visiting an exhibition dedicated to the tsar.
In televised comments on day 106 of his war in Ukraine, he compared Peter's campaign with the task facing Russia today.
"Apparently, it also fell to us to return (what is Russia's) and strengthen (the country). And if we proceed from the fact that these basic values form the basis of our existence, we will certainly succeed in solving the tasks that we face."
Imperialism is the state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas, often through employing hard power (economic and military power), but also soft power (cultural and diplomatic power).
NATO membership, yes, because NATO membership could be and was easily thwarted like Turkey's long standing EU application.You've been claiming Ukrainian NATO membership was not the reason the Russians invaded. — Tzeentch
I wouldn't actually call it significant number. And it will take months before they are on the battlefield.With a significant number of heavy tanks from the West now heading for Ukraine, including the Leopard tanks from Germany. Things just escalated! Much bigger booms coming or Russian bust? — universeness

You really respond to what Mearsheimer said last November 2022 with a lecture that he has given in 2015 as a refutation? (The latter video isn't working)And as for Mearsheimer and his points regarding alledged "Russian imperialism", for which again there is no evidence whatsoever: — Tzeentch
Good that you finally acknowledge that NATO member states can stop NATO membership. (Just look at Sweden and Finland and the problems they have with Turkey and Hungary.)The United States clearly decides what happens in NATO, and even if NATO member states stop NATO membership, nothing stops and nothing did stop the United States from turning Ukraine into a de facto NATO member, which it did. The Europeans had no say. — Tzeentch
You have one expert, I take experts in plural and understand that they can different opinions and even if they can have good points, not all of them have to be taken as lithurgy.f you're not interested in the views of experts — Tzeentch
It's a good observation how the two are similar.The production, deliberate lacing with addictive substances and aggressive advertising of "snacks" turns a necessary, healthy and pleasurable activity, eating, into the harmful consumption of junk. So does the commodification and vulgar packaging of sex turn it into trash. — Vera Mont
Problem is that many people don't want the truth and are interested in only power. Or see truth only as a powerplay, something that is used to get power. In fact, both woke activists and conspiracy theorists don't care so much about the truth as they see it as a tool of power. They have an agenda. Populism and conspiracy theorists are fighting against the evil elites, who dominate media and try to control the truth. Someone could assume that they would aspire then for an objective truth. Not so, especially if the truth is that actually those cabals don't have as much power as thought. That would be heresy and working for the enemy! It's not a debate, it's a competition who rules. And the post-modernists? I think you already know.Truth is really the only counter to falsity in every case. For this we need more information, more data, more debate, more education, more transparency, not less of it. The more and more people rely on a group of people to tell them what is true or false, like a government or corporation or church, the less and less they become able to figure it out for themselves, only compounding the problem to begin with. — NOS4A2
When you are saying that Europeans do not play a role of significance in this conflict, US can solely decide what countries join or not NATO when it's charter say something else etc. I think there's no use to engage in a discussion where you have things so wrong.You're grossly overstating the importance of countries who have no real power to speak of. — Tzeentch
No evidence...you are hilarious! Yeah, Don't mind taking into account what Putin says and the Russians have done earlier and are doing now, like annexing more parts of Ukraine to be part of Russia, just pick your quotes about NATO and insist there's nothing more to it.A nice theory, but there's no evidence to support it — Tzeentch
?- a point which Mearsheimer makes repeatedly. — Tzeentch
What we were talking about back in February was whether or not he was interested in conquering all of Ukraine, occupying it, and then integrating into a greater Russia. And I do not think he’s interested in doing that now. What he is interested in doing now that he was not interested in doing when we talked is integrating those four oblasts in the eastern part of Ukraine into Russia. I think there’s no question that his goals have escalated since the war started on February 24th, but not to the point where he’s interested in conquering all of Ukraine. But he is interested for sure in conquering a part of Ukraine and incorporating that part into Russia.
The Marx brothers are still awesome. As I child when I was in Seattle (for two years), my father took us to this incredible movie theatre showing black and white films. It's one thing to see on DVD Duck Soup and other all time classics. It's totally another to see the film in a movie theatre with an audience howling in laughter during the mirror scene. I remember laughing in the car when going home.I was also thinking about the best comedy movies: That's probably another at least top ten:
It's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world
Duck Soup
Are two of my favourites. — universeness

How about High Noon?Westerns — T Clark

:up:And damn, I Jjust remembered The Thin Red Line. Has to be top ten. — Bradskii


It cannot. If the members oppose what the US wants, then the US has to forget the organization and go to bilateral defense agreements. That happened with CENTO and SEATO, if surely the US did want the organizations to continue. You simply have false ideas about how international organizations work: their charter is important on how they operate. The US didn't decide anything in 2008. The promises of US Presidents hold until a new President changes them. And no process, like with Sweden and Finland, has even been started with Ukraine.Of course it does. That's why the US decided in 2008 that Ukraine would become part of NATO even though that was against the will of Germany at the time. — Tzeentch
No, you miss the point. If one can stop a defense pact only with the threat of war, then you only maek the threat. Period. You don't go to war. It's called logic, @Tzeentch.You're just missing the point. Clearly had Ukrainian ties with the United States threatened to become like those of Israel, we'd be in the exact same position, with Russia invading before such a defense pact could be sealed. — Tzeentch
Just how can you be so sure?- it's all fine and good, but when the end result stays the same it was all for naught. — Tzeentch
Oh, that you must in your knowledge about the future know.Nice list. And where is Ukraine now? On a course to defeat. — Tzeentch
Because why then Russia would attack? Mere muscle flexing in one large military exercise would have done it. No need to attack Ukraine.and that it somehow proves that NATO membership for Ukraine wasn't the driver behind this conflict — Tzeentch
And what I'm arguing is that what the other NATO countries thought about NATO membership for Ukraine is completely irrelevant, — Tzeentch
This answer shows how little understanding of NATO you have.
It's a defense pact between members states which all have to accept new members. It's not just a sock-puppet of the US President as you think it is. Just look at how many times the US has gone to war without NATO and how many times US Presidents have been angry about the whole organization. And we should remember that it's sister organizations CENTO and SEATO have already sidenotes on history pages.
— Tzeentch
Now you are totally making things up: the US doesn't make NATO members. The US can give assistance, military aid, train together and have all kinds of relations with one country, but that doesn't make it a "de facto" NATO member. Israel isn't a NATO member and so wasn't Afghanistan before turning again to an emirate.because the policy that the United States pursued made Ukraine a de facto member of NATO anyway, whether the other member states liked it or not. — Tzeentch
Do not play a role?Coming back to my point, the Europeans do not play a role of significance in this conflict. — Tzeentch
Just the way as the Ukrainian defense minister admits it in the article: Ukraine is not de jure member of NATO, which means that Russia didn't attack NATO, Russia attacked Ukraine. And that is my point: it is Ukraine's war. Hence it is quite expendable. NATO Ukraine is either past lies of American Presidents or now Russian propaganda: both false and only political rhetoric without any connection to reality.Then how do you explain this: — Tzeentch
Likely for the same reason you don't answer to all the questions I make you: limited time and these threads explode.Also, why do you only respond to half my post? — Tzeentch
The assistance Ukraine got...which in earnest only happened only after Russia attacked Ukraine. Finland and Sweden have had for a long time have had training exercises with NATO, had the capability to operate with NATO and did participate in NATO operations ...and didn't belong to NATO and had no guarantees from NATO. And membership wasn't going to happen.What do you think such a statement really means, when the United States is already training and supplying Ukraine like its gearing up for another Vietnam? You need to get a sense of reality. — Tzeentch
Why???When I say commit, I mean commit to a Ukrainian victory, obviously, which is going to involve NATO boots on the ground. — Tzeentch
Nonsense.At the onset of the Russian invasion Ukraine was already a NATO member in all but name. — Tzeentch
Wrong. The biggest European country saying NO to membership, with likely a lot more countries having similar doubts was evident and means a lot in NATO. Don't confuse the words of US Presidents (Bush etc) as being the same as NATO countries giving the green light.Statements by Germany at this point aren't worth anything, since Ukraine entering the US sphere of influence was a de facto reality. — Tzeentch
Umm...nobody is committing themselves to Ukrainian defense except Ukraine itself and Germany surely isn't. If it sends Leopard 2 MBTs along all other stuff already there, it really doesn't do any difference. The US is sending Patriot missile systems and 150 Bradley IFVs to Ukraine. And they (the US) are training Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16 combat aircraft. So what you are saying doesn't make sense.The United States can not and will not commit itself to a Ukrainian defense, because getting involved in a protracted land war with Russia would basically cede world hegemony to China without a fight. — Tzeentch
Isn't the UK already giving tanks to Ukraine.The Germans know this, and they are none to keen on getting thrown the hot potatoe of taking leadership in that protracted land war instead of the United States. — Tzeentch
The Germans actually only showed that this attack (February 24th 2022) wasn't at all about NATO: because German's openly before the attack declared that they wouldn't allow Ukraine into NATO. But guess what: Putin attack and tried to capture Kyiv.Thank God the Germans have some sense of how this game works. Merkel understood it too, that's why she blocked the American efforts to stir up a conflict in Germany's backyard. — Tzeentch
