...one would have to make the unwarranted assumption that "physical entities" are those thing that homo sapiens, the puny prime species of this tiny rock in space...is capable of detecting all entities that are physical!
Why would anyone do that? — Frank Apisa
I’m not trying to determine the truth of anyone’s belief. I’m trying to determine if believing that there are no Gods is logically possible. I feel that believing in an empty set is equivalent to lacking belief. Therefore, Atheism (and possibly other terms such as Nihilism) are better defined as a lack of belief in X, as opposed to believing that not-X, when not-X implies an empty set. Believing that not-X, when doing so implies an empty set, is actually not a belief at all. That is my claim. — Pinprick
↪3017amen What way should I take it given no explanation why it's gibberish?
It may be gibberish but you don't seem to be forthcoming on why so. — Happenstance
I do think what may be constituted as evidence as subjective.That is very close to St Anselm's expression of God being "greater than can be conceived."
Interesting in the present context of what constitutes evidence. — Valentinus
Personally I loathe to use the word God as I see it as a honorific title and myself would say a lack of belief in deity.A disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. — 3017amen
I see belief as being a particular cognitive faculty I have and when faced with a specific question such as deity existence I'd say I lack that particular cognitive faculty for that specific content which is not equivalent to having a particular cognitive faculty for no specific content, hence why I wouldn't term atheism as a belief system and certainly not a religion.And so my existential argument is, you have to define the nature of belief.
You do seem fixated on the idea that order is sufficient for design, so say for argument's sake I agree with you that order is sufficient to imply design and because I'm such a curious cat, I have a question of my own: how would an intelligent designer go about creating this orderly design?Sorry but, not to be disparaging, a certain level of education is a prerequisite for seeing the connection which is absent in your story. An interesting story. Thanks. — TheMadFool
Yeah I suppose you could say that the kids and the hamster designed room A but the missus and I would like room B please. Should we add the clause that this intelligent designer must be an adult? But joking aside, my point is that it could be the case that either room A or room B were designed and so it’s not enough that order/disorder (one over the other) implies design. There needs to be knowledge of design also.What does what you say make you but a designer? — TheMadFool
I don’t understand what you mean by counterexample given that I think disorder either is not enough to imply design. If you mean an example of order not implying design then I know of a factual story:You have a point but if order is insufficient to prove a designer can you give me a counterexample? — TheMadFool
Being a parent and a one-time pet owner, I’d have picked room A because things being in disarray is a sure sign of occupancy, I’d probably say, ‘Round up the kids and can someone put the hamster back in the cage!’Normal people, including people who make the above counter-argument, actually think the exact opposite. We can run an experiment with two rooms A and B. A is in disarray with things in no particular order and B is neat and objects have been arranged in a discernable pattern. If someone, anyone, were to be taken into the two rooms and asked which room probably had an occupant then the answer would invariably be room B. I don't think anyone will/can disagree with this deduction. — TheMadFool
↪aletheist
Indeed. Should we reveal the big secret that in any valid deductive argument, there is nothing in the conclusion that is not already entailed by the premisses
— aletheist
Which, for you, means they're all question begging - right? You have such a poor grasp of how arguments actually work, that you think valid arguments are question begging by dint of being valid. That 's true isn't it - that's what you actually think. Be honest. And you're so confident you're right, you'll never be able to learn you're wrong. — Bartricks
You really should get this tattoo to remind you. Maybe on your abnormal forhead wrote backwards so you can see it in a mirrorI'm confusing Happenstance for someone who gives a shit about my crappy argument!
^ doesn't understand logic synbols. Shocker. I guess to someone like yourself, it would look like worms, much like a child's interpretation: 'Miss, them der writing looks like worms. Tee Hee!'But I wormed and squared it for you! No gratitude some people. — Bartricks
By your own admission you never took logic 101. Here's that quote from you that I am currently having tatooed across my buttocks:
would it interest you that I've never actually took a course in formal logic?
— Happenstance — Bartricks
↪aletheist
Indeed. Should we reveal the big secret that in any valid deductive argument, there is nothing in the conclusion that is not already entailed by the premisses
— aletheist
Which, for you, means they're all question begging - right? You have such a poor grasp of how arguments actually work, that you think valid arguments are question begging by dint of being valid. That 's true isn't it - that's what you actually think. Be honest. And you're so confident you're right, you'll never be able to learn you're wrong. — Bartricks
:lol: :lol: :lol:You think laying waste every metaethical theory with five premises is nothing?!
— Bartricks
- Appearance and Reality, preface (1893).Metaphysics is the finding of bad reasons for what we believe upon instinct; but to find these reasons is no less an instinct
:lol: :lol: :lol:You think laying waste every metaethical theory with five premises is nothing?! — Bartricks
1. If moral values are my values, then if I value something, necessarily it is morally valuable
2. If I value something, it is not necessarily morally valuable
3. Therefore, moral values are not my values. — Bartricks
So how does the argument fail to have this form:
1. If P, then Q
2. Not Q
3. Therefore not P? — Bartricks
1. If superman is Bartricks, then if superman is in the grocery necessarily Bartricks is in the grocery.
2. If superman is in the grocery Bartricks is not necessarily in the grocery.
3. Therefore superman is not Bartricks? — Bartricks