LOL okay if you don't get it you don't get it but I explained it clear. You're thinking too much into something so simple.

This is not true. Some people espousing homophobic tendencies is hardly representive of all conservatives. — I like sushi

I have yet to see that and so with that, all I have is your word and that is not good enough for me considering this administration politically says otherwise.

I’ll just assume you meant “some” and not exclusively conservative. — I like sushi

Or perhaps I meant most if not all.

I hear you and I agree. I'm not saying I literally like it, was just being facetious about it.

I like how you ignored me when I answered your question directly. Apparently you're looking for confirmation bias.

Thanks for this explanation you actually explained it very good BC. I agree with you.

In regards to

There is the theory that peoples inhabiting similar climates have suffered similar hardships and problems and thus have simile cultural traditions.

I think there is some value to this idea and I imagine that peoples who’ve grown up in artic conditions would share some traditions due to the effects of the environments their cultures have frown from. — I like sushi

I'm asking you to elaborate

It is NOT some “conservative” political tilt — I like sushi

Considering I typically read about it on online comments here in my state and city newspaper as well as online forums from "conservative thinkers." So I take it those who hold conservative views who use this term aren't motivated by politics themselves?

This is not true. It may be how you chose to view anyone with some conservative values though. Thinking it and saying it doesn’t make it a reality though. — I like sushi

Um........

President Donald Trump’s administration is working on yet another anti-LGBTQ policy, the New York Times reported over the weekend.


"According to Erica Green, Katie Benner, and Robert Pear at the Times, Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is considering an interpretation of Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans sex discrimination in federally funded schools, that “would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with.” (This would defy the scientific and medical evidence embraced by major organizations like the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association.)

HHS is the primary agency working on the draft proposal, but other agencies, including the departments of Education, Justice, and Labor, are expected to adopt it as well should the administration move forward with the change. It’s not clear when that will be, although the Times reported that HHS “is preparing to formally present the new definition to the Justice Department before the end of the year.”

The proposal would effectively erase protections for trans people, who identify with a gender different from the one assigned to them at birth, from federal civil rights laws — ensuring that the laws do not prohibit discrimination against trans people in any setting, including the workplace, housing, schools, and health care........

For much of the past couple of years, the administration has been mired in court battles over its attempts to ban transgender people from the military after the Obama administration lifted the original ban. And different parts of the Trump administration have already taken steps to prevent federal civil rights protections from applying to trans and gay people."

Source:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/18007978/trump-administration-lgbtq-transgender-discrimination-civil-rights

But most of what they are defending is trivial stuff and making a hot fuss over spilled milk. — Bright7

Depends on what you think is trivial. For conservatives, a gay man should not serve in the military same with transsexuals. If we are to go based on the constitution, it is unfair to withhold someone from pursuing a passion they have. To me that is big and not trivial.

Would you care to provide ANY evidence that beliefs have NO effect on behavior? — 0 thru 9

Right. I'm waiting for his answer to that as well and to see if he can provide proof of that.

For some it is a reaction to the excesses that occur in the name of justice, but the term has become another tool in the rhetorical war of conservatives. — Fooloso4

I see.

One question that must be addressed is whether the criticism of social justice is based on opposition to progressivism. — Fooloso4

To me, I think this is it. I think conservatives use this as a difference of opinion against progressivism.

But make no mistake about it, all sides are struggling to be in control, whether it is to change or maintain the status quo. — Fooloso4

I agree.

I prefer not to say, I don't like to air people out like that therefore, to not single one or two people out I'd like to make it as general as possible.

Weren’t you aware that the term was created as a negative term? The term was coined to be derogatory NOT complimentary. — I like sushi

No I wasn't. I don't indulge in conservative talk unless it becomes widely brought to the attention of people and I just happen to be listening to it.

Um, in regards to what exactly?

That's not why, especially because there's zero evidence of the behavior/belief connection. — Terrapin Station

Really? Do you have research evidence or is this your opinion, because I have evidence.

Which is solely due to the social pressure that people would put on the hospital, which is what I have a problem with. — Terrapin Station

No. Because a person that hates someone for their skin pigmentation is a liability and cannot be trusted to give equal treatment to others in a hospital setting. Also, they are more likely to act out their hatred. So yes from a business standpoint racists, sexists, and the like are financial liabilities but liabilities nonetheless.

A lot of that hinges on what I consider to be seriously errant views of what meaning is/how it works — Terrapin Station

hmmm

Aren't they perceived in a negative light because the general population of the SJWs lack rationality and logical structure in their arguments? — Sara

No.

For example, pressuring employers so that folks wind up canned because of something they said, photographs they posted, etc. — Terrapin Station

Well if I am a CEO of a hospital and my fellow employee is outted as a racist, I wouldn't want that person working at my hospital especially since I service the public at large.

culture is what develops from that

A nation with its own government occupying a specific territory containing districts, settlements and towns.

Well culture by geography is more complex. For example, I am African-American and I identify with African-American culture (that is, culture that relates to descendants of African slaves such as common foods, slang, music, religion). But I also I identify as an American because I reside in the United States, and my culture nationally is American, and that culture is the conglomeration of other citizens of different ethnic and domestic/national origins that reside in the United States. So one can identify with several cultures, and you may ask whose culture? And like I said it is the collective (that being the people and their common experience and commonality of those experiences) that makes the culture.

I can imagine the next generation of immigrants feeling as you suggest, but not those first immigrants from a radically different culture — Brett

Right. In my previous example, I don't think first generation Qatari immigrants would feel and act American, but I think as children are raised in America, they take on the collective cultural mannerisms based on where they live. I think the reason first generation immigrants are less likely to acclimate perhaps is due to their resistance from the idea that by acclimating, they're giving up their culture.

I was thinking that if you were an immigrant but also a citizen would that make you feel a part of the country? — Brett

Maybe not initially but it also depends how long you've resided in the country. I think duration and time would eventually allow someone to feel a part of their adopted country. The longer you stay the more acclimated you'll become.

If you were an immigrant from a different culture wouldn’t you have to strive to find that? And because of that would you feel part of it or not? — Brett

Perhaps. But it may not always be so, but I guess it depends on the individual/family. I would suppose a family from Qatar who moves to Brooklyn New York would pick up the culture and customs of what "Brooklyners" do from day to day, but this is a process of course.

Perhaps it could also mean one who resonates with the collective culture that is designated to the people who live in a geographical location.

You definitely sound like someone who had a bad experience,.

but it is quite odd to blame and treat a person who's depressed with medication because people treat him/her badly — TheMadFool

Again, the kneejerk reaction is not to assess someone and medicate them immediately, but more importantly why would you assume someone who has psychiatric distressed is "blamed" by the psychiatrist? This is ridiculous and it is harmful. We would do a disservice to clients by blaming them for their psychiatric distress.

The thing is, if someone has issues with coping with stress and/or are having a psychotic breakdown some clinicians may use a combination of psychiatric medication as well as behavioral modification techniques to aid the individual. Some clinicians use medication primarily, some don't. All psychiatrists aren't one size fits all.

You see the problem is not with him. It's the people who mistreat him. The pills don't treat that significant part of the problem do they? — TheMadFool

Are you referring to someone specifically or is this a general opinion? Someone who is for example expressing the idea that demons are trying to kill them and are going to use physical means to absolve their situation, can indeed become dangerous. Sometimes therapy alone may not help and unfortunately chemical intervention is necessary to regain a mental balance on the situation.

If you were a psychiatrist trained in a system where you are taught that concentration camps are normal, and that mentally healthy people are well-adapted to concentration camps, if your career and social status depended on you accepting that concentration camps are normal, would you look at the concentration camp itself as an external factor that could contribute to a person's dysfunction, or would you see the concentration camp as an essential part of reality that the person ought to adapt to? — leo

You're using a play on words and hypotheticals here because this would be utterly ridiculous. If you expect a serious answer can you use a less ridiculous hypothetical example?

Psychiatry seems to exclude an important aspect, the external reality like socio-economic factors and other things you guys mentioned, which have causal import to mental health and focuses, unduly, on the inner world/self of a person. — TheMadFool

No it doesn't. This is not how assessments work. We take into account all external as well as internal factors that could contribute to a persons dysfunction. I'm seeing a lot of you guys make assumptions here without any real support. When I evaluate my clients I take into account all factors.

Well right there in your appeal to your own authority, amusingly, and more generally in your non engagement with any of the critical thinking on offer, and response to it instead as if it were a personal attack. — unenlightened

You made an assumption upon the profession of psychiatry. To think this is a clever discussion by using anecdotes and philosophical jargon and word play is meaningless to actually validating to what you're saying.

If your patient sees or hears things that you don't, either you will find an explanation within the range of phenomena that you deem to be real, or you will deem the patient to have delusions that cannot be explained by anything that you deem to be real other than it being some brain disorder. — leo

Well yes this is called an assessment, but I'm referring to actually giving credence to auditory/visual hallucinations.

The diagnostic of delusion is based on your own preconceived beliefs (based in great part on your training) about what is real and what is not. — leo

Exactly.

I bring up psychology's pseudoscience and racist past in order to encourage you and others to have a little less hubris, a little more humility, and a more careful use of language. — unenlightened

Huh? Where did I display hubris? I'm a clinician and this is my professional job.

a failure to adapt is not a disorder of the organism, but a disorder of the environment. — unenlightened

Do you even know what maladaptive means?

"Maladaptive daydreaming is a disordered form of dissociative absorption associated with vivid and excessive fantasy activity that often involves elaborate and fanciful scenarios.It can result in distress, can replace human interaction and may interfere with normal functioning such as social life or work."

On another note I'm kinda done as I don't think you and I are having a serious discussion.

But how is it vain to compete? There are plenty of bodybuilders who do the sport because they love to get in and out of shape for competitions.

Most psychology graduates end up in advertising. — unenlightened

hmm interesting...I'm curious to know where you got this information from if you could provide a link please thank you.

Psychiatry offers pills as palliatives, when the sickness of society requires a revolution. — unenlightened

If you say so.

It was called drapetomania. We found a cure for that - the abolition of slavery. — unenlightened

This made absolutely no sense. Especially since drapetomania's terminology largely was reference to African slaves which in the Psychological community has been debunked as pseudoscience and its largely considered racist.

If someone is suffering from a maladaptive disorder which is causing them to ruin their job, relationships, and is affecting their way of life sometimes medication is necessary to mitigate this problem. For example look at the following story:

Mom, Teen Daughter Accused of Killing 5 Family Members Spoke of ‘Demons Being All Around’: Relative

"Damon Decree, Sr., the ex-husband of suspect Shana Decree, 45, and the father of suspect Dominique Decree, 19, told WPVI that both women had been “talking about demons being all around themthis link opens in a new tab.”

Decree said he believes the mother and daughter — charged Monday with murdering Shana’s two children, Naa’Irah Smith, 25, and Damon Decree Jr., 13, along with her sister, Jamilla Campbell, 42, and Campbell’s 9-year-old twin daughters, Imani and Erika Allen — may have been indoctrinated into an unspecified online religious group.

“Apparently, they had dissected into some type of cult that they materialized online,” he said. “I don’t know how or what kind of cult.”


Destiny Harris, the half-sister of the twin victims, also told WPVI the family had been “going through something religiously and they decided to drag the kids into it.”

See more: https://people.com/crime/mom-teen-daughter-accused-killing-5-family-members-spoke-of-demons/

Now, I understand cults and what not but what perplexes me is not that they were influenced by the cult but by the following statement in the article:

"Initially, investigators allege Shana and Dominique Decree denied having any involvement in the killings, telling cops Campbell’s boyfriend and two other men broke into the apartment and slaughtered the five victims."

Now you tell me are they simply just cult followers or are there some underlined psychological issues?

There is also a fair amount of quackery here. Those kind of birds be called ducks — Galuchat

Interesting. Well, its okay at least they are getting their thoughts out as opposed to doing something violent and destructive. I appreciate this over destructive behavior.

So you are a clinician, but not a professional? What is the difference? — Galuchat

I do have my doctorate in Clinical psychology but I'm currently not licensed by my state therefore I do not practice. I'm currently a social worker (LCSW-Licensed Clinical Social Worker) although I intend on practicing psychology at a later time (don't ask me why I'm doing things backwards).

I do work professionally as a Social Worker primarily dealing with psychiatric patients who suffer from a host of illnesses at a local hospital in my state. Clinicians are professionals because all clinicians work in non-surgical clinical settings.

And, since you've been participating on this forum, approximately what percentage of other members do you think have psychological problems (not necessarily limited to the type you cite in the OP)? — Galuchat

Well I only experienced two individuals who had tangential style writing which I thought were quite odd. Now, it could be because they didn't have a full grasp of how to correctly construct a cohesive thought in a structured format, but it did seem quite bizarre to me though that it was continuous every time they wrote their thoughts in the threads I was involved in.

For instance the idea that psychiatry knows an absolute distinction between what is real and what is not real, and uses that distinction as a basis to categorize some people as mentally sick people that need to be treated. — leo

Wrong. Psychiatry/Psychology rest on the foundation of behaviors that are adaptive and maladaptive which the latter and the behaviors surrounding it, are used as classifications to make the correct diagnosis.

Without acknowledging that what is deemed to be real is what the majority deems to be real, and that different cultures have different ideas about what is real. — leo

But this is not psychiatry. Psychiatry/Psychology base its principles off science and what can be tested. Psychiatry/Psychology does not deal with the metaphysics much when it comes to defining what is real and not real.

As an example, there is no direct evidence that other people feel, we aren't themselves to know that they feel, all we can say really is that we believe they feel because we feel and because they behave in a way similar to us. — leo

I didn't understand this at all.

Yet someone claiming that he has no reason to believe other people feel anything would be quick to be labeled with some mental illness, simply because his distinction between what he considers real and not would not be the same as that of the psychiatrists. — leo

You really have no grasp on how psychiatrists/psychologist conduct their assessments do you? If someone is doing PCP or methamphetamine and the result is delusion, sure, we clinicians may call it a delusion because what they're experiencing is not independent of any substance that may manipulate areas of their brain (i.e. drugs). If someone is on drugs and they see peter pan and believe they can fly to never never land, most likely their behavior is the result of the meth and/or PCP usage. If their body is absent of hard drugs then of course we may think they are suffering from visual hallucinations, because seeing things that are a part of storytelling and folklore are not come images people see.

That is not to say people who see things are crazy but a lot of times people who see things behave in an atypical way which becomes maladaptive and eventually can lead into destructive behaviors.

Possibly, but let me ask do you plan to compete?

If you're just being a casual bodybuilder you would be helping yourself by spending less on Testosterone and other things harmful to your kidney and liver and just use test boosters, supplements, and seasonal diet.

If you convince people that their moods are merely electrochemical noise, you are also telling them what it means to be human, even if you only intend to ease their pain. — Chisholm

As a person that professionally works in the psychiatric field, I have to disagree. I don't like to use the phrase of "telling people what to do." rather, I'd like to educate the client that their understanding of reality is maladaptive and that my job is to redirect them to a course that is least harmful.

In this sense, the attempt to work out the biology of mental illness is different from the attempt to work out the biology of cancer or cardiovascular disease.

Not necessarily. Often times symptoms of mental illness can parallel biological symptoms to which is you remedy one, the other follows suit. For example anxiety disorders mimic biologically symptoms of having a heart attack. Although one can seem indistinguishable from the other, when you do a psychological assessment (asking them their mental health history0 along with a medical assessment you can make that distinction and take appropriate action usually involving giving anxiolytic medication. Of course extreme circumstances like having cancer of course is not treated the same way as a schizophrenic, however having cancer can contribute to the cause of severe depression.
— Chisholm

Then there is the idea that an entity as 'mental illness' exists. Hard to grasp. Like the flu? — Chisholm

How so?

The pharmaceutical industry has been pumping money in the education of doctors and psychiatrists alike, and with success. — Chisholm

This is speculation. How did you come to this?

Seems like this is the rant of someone who had a bad experience

Tolerance, for me, must be met with an active force not a mute acceptance. — I like sushi

Damn sushi bravo