Your not answering a basic point. How many deaths from covid in Your hospital? — Asif

I cannot list the deaths as the numbers are factored into Los Angeles County statistics. I know for sure from the shifts I've worked there were at least 6 deaths in the Emergency department alone. As far as statistics that would be something I'd have to access from our administration which would be unlikely since I cannot access those numbers as a simple employee.

Your hospital? — Asif

Yes my hospital which was the intent of mine when I tried posting the pictures. It's on every screen saver in my hospital as far as the statistics concerning positive patients, patients under investigation, and those being admitted.

You can take excerpts from any science literature,there isnt any consensus and many scientists say the exact opposite. — Asif

Where is your proof? You sound like Trump saying "there are many scientists" when you haven't even provided anything to substantiate your views. Saying stuff like "look it up" when you cannot even substantiate what you've postulated.

You havent heard of germ theory.or kochs postulates and yet you claim you understand swab testing and viruses. — Asif

I've clearly explained how SWABS worked....like intimately and have even listed verifiable links just in case you wanted more understanding.

And the PCR assay! Do you even know how that works and the criticisms that can be levied at it? — Asif

I do know how it works thus why I explained it. Again you're just appearing to just simply talking out of your ass. I mean after all you thought you could be tested positive for simply exercising that is how I know you're into junk science and don't know shit about Covid-19 testing. I'm clearly wasting my time with you. I suggest @Metaphysician Undercover doesn't either.

You obviously have no idea of the science of kochs postulates or the validity of germ theory. — Asif

Never heard of it.

Your swabs and tests are detecting natural biologocial inflammation which everyone has to some degree. — Asif

Apparently you know jack shit what the swabs test for.....The most common tests (including the ones used at my hospital) are called PCR assay or polymerase chain reaction which is a specific type of nucleic acid test. This test in the labs look for specific Coronavirus genetic material. When you get exposed to Covid-19 it replicates in the upper respiratory tract hence is why you have the 6-inch nasal swab.

. But the tests are arbitrary and do not detect flu,they detect only inflammation. I could probably test positive if I had a tough workout at the gym. — Asif

Wrong. First, see above post. Second, we tend to look at symptoms first such as cough, shortness of breathe, dizziness, diarrhea, vomiting etc. Third, regarding false negatives one may test negative however this may suggest that they could in fact be in the early stages of the virus. However to be sure this is why these tests are done. If serious symptoms progress this is why we conduct CT scans or X-rays to look at the lungs. If we suspect something funny there we place you in the category of PUI or Patient Under Investigation and then we isolate you until results comeback. But all in all, you're clearly wrong.

The CDC and many scientists admit false positives and the dubious nature of the tests. — Asif

According to the University of Texas Cancer Center:

"The chances of a false negative at MD Anderson in a symptomatic patient due to a COVID-19 infection are very low, provided the lab receives a good-quality specimen.

MD Anderson takes several measures to ensure a low false-negative rate. First, we use a dedicated team of nurses to collect swabs, which ensures a high-quality specimen is collected every time. Second, the tests used in our laboratory have undergone a verification process to confirm that they perform as expected. And finally, we are tracking when repeat tests are positive on individuals who had previously tested negative.

To date, this last scenario has occurred in less than 1% of our tests. And, in all cases, the time between the negative and positive test results was more than 72 hours, opening up the possibility for infection to have occurred between the two tests’ administration."

Source: https://www.mdanderson.org/cancerwise/is-covid-19-coronavirus-testing-accurate-and-9-more-things-to-know-about-covid-19-nasal-swab-testing.h00-159381945.html#:~:text=It's%20called%20a%20%E2%80%9CPCR%20assay,small%20amounts%20of%20the%20coronavirus.

Mind you, this institute conducts the same test as my hospital.

Fauci wrote an article in the Lancet saying covid wasnt much different to the flu. — Asif

According to the CDC there are some similarities however there are some significant differences:

"While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu. This means the virus that causes COVID-19 can quickly and easily spread to a lot of people and result in continuous spreading among people as time progresses."

Source:https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm#:~:text=For%20both%20COVID%2D19,is%20still%20under%20investigation.


With Flu, some people can recover in to less than two weeks. With Covid-19 there are longstanding effects such as blood clots in the veins and arteries of the lungs, heart, legs or brain. also in children, they can develop School-aged children infected with COVID-19 are at higher risk of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C), a rare but severe complication of COVID-19.

The pics you sent are not opening. — Asif

Ok. In one picture depicted our In-House (positive) patients which was 37

In-house patients under investigation: 4

Overall tested positive: 1,368

Total Tested Overall: 6,664

Patient Cases in Los Angeles County

Confirmed: 206,761

Deaths: 4,967

How many deaths in your place of work? — Asif

See for yourself, this is a rough estimate for the week. The other indicates the amount of positives to deaths in Los Angeles County.

Listen,there is zero proof of covid 19. — Asif

Not sure how there isn't. If what you say is true then what are we finding in our labs when we do Covid swabs? The above is hard facts that Covid exists.

The test are bogus. — Asif

Where is your proof? Where is your documented proof that contradicts scientists from across the world?

Or is only your experience valid? — Asif

I've already posted the facts...The above pics were just taken from my hospital desk those are the facts.

Yes people die in emergency depts. — Asif

That's besides the point. People die everyday, but it doesn't negate the fact that we ought to take precaution.

How old were they? — Asif

There are a variety of affected ages.

Preexisting conditions? — Asif

Some of the ones I've encountered yes, some no. For example a 13 year-old girl died from Covid-19 and went into respiratory distress.

How many? — Asif

How many what, positives?

There are multiple verified reports of hospitals being empty and many reports of inaccurate death certificates and bogus diagnosis. — Asif

Proof?

I know what I see with my own eyes and hear. Dont need some misinformed medic to get emotional. Your not the only source that works in a hospital. — Asif

I personally don't care what you think just understand the consequences.

You could try to assess the situation with your own personal.experience . — Asif

I actually work in the emergency department and I can tell you people are dying and it will only get worse. If you don't give a shit about yourself, give a shit about those who it may kill

Besides, committing mob violence and vandalism against people who do not deserve it is cruel. — NOS4A2

This is the difference between a riot and protest, People often times conflate the two.

Suicide is threatening to the established order of things. God, it'd be nice to live in a world where people freely discussed how much they hate life without repercussions, — darthbarracuda

This is bothersome to me, not only as a clinician, but because enabling suicidal behavior as "speech" according to you ought to be a thing.

One of the initial psychological assessments many clinicians make is the distinction between a cry for help, or a risk for being a danger to oneself. additionally, there is a philosophical difference between terminal illness, and feelings of suicide. For the latter, one could lose a loved one and have temporary depression or even clinical depression. This is why going to a certified therapist is important because they can decipher the problem using the DSM-5 to make an accurate diagnosis. For me it's always beneficial if we can maximize someone's happiness and potential even if they're going through suicidal ideation. The thing is psychological help is there through constructive mediation, difference between that and terminal illness is the inevitability of biological death which cannot be remedied.

I would argue from an even broader position, personally. God cannot necessarily exist because of suffering in general. — GTTRPNK

The above is best left to argue whether a personal or impersonal deity exists. In addition, we must consider the context to which we are discussing what type of suffering. For example: The difference between biochemical suffering, or suffering due to a socio-political phenomena, or suffering due to an indirect causal phenomenon.

People are objecting to the violence and intimidation against the innocent, none of whom have anything to do with the death of George Floyd. — NOS4A2

However, I noticed that often times right-wing media tends to edit and skew public opinion using other outlets as sources of validity for example case in point:

there must be some other belief motivating these actions, or else they are blinded by sheer stupidity and propaganda. This is culture war stuff. This is politics in the street. If it goes on much longer it is simply insurrection, and one lacking any ethical cause. — NOS4A2

MLK said:

“A riot,” King said, “is the language of the unheard, And, what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years.”

When black Americans argue for the government to hold police accountable for brutality you will have degenerates who will dissent violently This is the crux of why people damage property. However, some people are indeed opportunistic just as there are claims by some, that white nationalists are inciting these riots to cover up their motives to traffic drugs (Source:https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-floyd-rioting/571932272/).

These protests have drawn a plethora of people and like any group that has to speak out there will always be those with alternative methods to spread dissent.

Yep. Bigotry and sexism. The biggest problems in the Western World at the moment... And definitely the norm. — Kev

Yet racism isn't?

Darwin Award material? — jorndoe

Yup and the unfortunate thing for him that award if for life.

No sense of humour. Check. Obviously a girl then. — Benkei

Damn the burn lol

Where does Optimism fit when one is terminally ill? I find it a non-pragmatic way of observing life.

But for those who think it's a hoax, we should be worried about them, because they could be asymptomatic carriers. — Gnomon

This....

As someone who works in the emergency room this is exactly why my hospital in particular is facing an uptick in admissions because younger people as well as conspiracy theorists think exactly like this.

My apologies. I thought your quotes were what a was to read. The actual source itself is more in depth. — Brett

No worries

Systemic racism as well as it's affects/effects are the result of codes/laws written by racists(those with racist belief systems), and as such it founded upon and/or borne of racist beliefs. That is the case whether you like it or not. I'm not alone here either. — creativesoul

Very well said

:strong:

A couple bad experiences — NOS4A2

Stop. Not a couple but quite a few bad experiences, and shared bad experiences between me, my family, and my community.

If the police treat you unjustly—excessive use of force, denial of constitutional rights, failure to intervene, indifference to risk of harm—you have legal recourse to sue their jack-boots off. — NOS4A2

This is the position that BLM argues because there is no transparency and accountability. Police unions protect officers and complaining on specific officers takes decades for even an internal affairs investigation to occur unless there was a serious incident. My previous post was not generalizing all police officers, simply, I was emphasizing the "my life didn't matter" part to show that in my experiences such reckless behavior displayed by my encounters showed that they didn't care about my human existence.

but I'm not seeing the confusion over the tern 'most people' itself, I'm afraid. — Isaac

The question was simple who are the "most people" in the context of which you've made that comment?

Victims of systemic racism (as a group) is exclusionary, it is not universally possible to both sympathise and be a victim in the way one can with poverty — Isaac

I see your point.

That looks like conjecture more than fact. — Brett

I've listed several sources that maybe you refused to even read that verifies my position.

Are they fearful or open minded? I’m not sure where you’re coming from? — Brett

I'm mostly referring to the U.S. whites who believe they need to sustain their privilege, power, and influence in U.S. society. But because of their demographic decline and the rise of minority-majority, the stoking of fear resides in the fact that these like-minded whites will fear losing their influence on society. Imagine having to see people in media represent you for so long on television only to be eventually replaced by a person of color. This paradigmn shift will cause fear because now, while being so comfortable in seeing someone represent you everyday, you'll go from this historical representation to a new one where you'll see a minority-majority shift where now people of color are common place and in positions of power and whites are less represented socially.

Feel like giving us a source for this. — Brett

Sure, for example according to Vox:

"But the prospect of being in the minority can suddenly make white identity — and all the historical privilege that comes with it — salient. And, she guessed, the prospect of losing majority status was likely to make people (perhaps unconsciously) uneasy. In other words, she wondered if white people would read the news of a coming “minority majority” shift as a threat, a “threat” powerful enough to change their thoughts and behavior."

Source:https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/26/14340542/white-fear-trump-psychology-minority-majority

Another source, according to The Miami Herald:

"It turns out the anxiety we should be talking about is that felt by Johnson’s source. For most of the 242 years of our national life, one thing has always been predictable as a children’s movie and dependable as the floor beneath your feet. White men will always be represented in, and in fact, will dominate, any room where power and authority are wielded.

But the times, they are a’changing. Women, people of color, religious minorities and others have slowly forced their way into those rooms. Additionally, there is the demographic fact that white preponderance — and, thus, unchallenged white prerogative — are shrinking."

Source:https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article193285194.html

The phrase “Black Lives Matter” is a self-evident truth. — NOS4A2

Not according to me and the rest of the 45 million or so Black Americans. My life surely didn't matter when I was walking home at night in my black hospital scrubs and some deputies decided to hop out of their car unholstering the weapon all because they thought my cargo scrub pants were "tactical." My life didn't matter when in graduate school after leaving lecture being stopped by LAPD and having my hands placed on a running car vehicle and when I protested how hot his car hood was being told "don't you people like barbecue?" Surely, BLM then wasn't evident. My life doesn't matter to a cop. They'll see my tattoos and automatically label me a gang members regardless of my education and/or clinical profession.

The group Black Lives Matter was founded by “trained Marxists”, so hopefully we can differentiate between the phrase and the “movement”. — NOS4A2

I'm not concerned about the founders political/social ideology cause clearly conservative outlets have already brandished the movement as anti-white, anti-American, anti-police etc.

SMH

And yes, your right, some Americans are very fearful of the fact that "whites" aren't going to be a majority soon (meaning 30 years or so from now). — ssu

Because of the fact that whites at least as it is genuinely known, is that they'll lose political/social influence that they've held on for so long. The fear that they'll be the minority in the United States, and the fear that they believe minorities will take advantage based on numbers. However, these fears are misplaced, but this also demonstrates the fragility and subconscious guilt many have based on the historical atrocities that has afflicted people of color.

All they need to see is a documentary from South Africa about the crime there and think "OMG, it's going to be here THE SAME!" That's the new racism. — ssu

Wow. First off let's start with apartheid and how it totally affected the black Africans. Not to mention many of the white Dutch who have mistreated the black Africans for so long disenfranchising and displacing many of the indigenous Africans there. However we don't need to look to South Africa for a revolution. I'm largely comfortably with this new generation's open-mindedness to the struggles of people of color.

Read it and let me know if such theory could not be used to explain some of the phenomena observed in racist behaviour. Also, I am not an expert in evolutionary forces, and thus everything I say is just (educated) conjectures. — Daniel

BTW when you mentioned me, that paragraph was not my writing.

We can talk about Martin Luther King's dream for decades, as we have done, but the key is to restructure our brains so that there is no room for racial discrimination. The only way to do this is to actually change our language to reflect the reality of our existence. — dazed

Agreed however this is also preceded by ridding our society of stereotypes, changing. In order for us to rid our society of racism we need to rid our society collectively of the policies and the continued resistance against an egalitarian model. Simply changing our language is not enough.

Getting to a point where human brains no longer place people in different categories of human existence based on skin colour is the true path to the end of racism. — dazed

Yes, but that also means collectively of changing systems where categories continuously place people in boxes which also perpetuates oppression.

now I don't like BLM for many reasons — Judaka

What are those reasons?

BLM are far from the ideal group from my perspective. — Judaka

Of course you feel this way.

BLM is responsible for some pretty terrible things — Judaka

Such as? What terrible things are they responsible for because as far as my knowledge goes the Southern Poverty Law Center has deemed BLM as a non-hate group:

"In recent weeks, we’ve received a number of requests to name Black Lives Matter a hate group, particularly in the wake of the murders of eight police officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge. Numerous conservative commentators have joined the chorus. There is even a Change.org petition calling for the hate group label.

In our view, these critics fundamentally misunderstand the nature of hate groups and the BLM movement.

Generally speaking, hate groups are, by our definition, those that vilify entire groups of people based on immutable characteristics such as race or ethnicity. Federal law takes a similar approach."

Source:https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group

Also addressing this:

BLM is responsible for some pretty terrible things — Judaka

Makes me think of this:

"Mass Resistance (or MassResistance) posted a blog June 11 claiming BLM is a “violent Marxist-Leninist group at its core” and that its goals are ultimately “destructive to blacks.”

The blog included racist dog whistles, such as claiming BLM is “relentlessly angry” and “violent” – pervasive stereotypes applied to Black people. Black women are most often dehumanized as “angry” while Black men are often characterized as “violent,” thus providing an excuse to enact racist state violence against them."

Source:https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/29/mass-resistance-falsely-claims-black-lives-matter-destroys-families-likens-movement-nazi

Most people — Isaac

Hmmm who are these "most people?"

There's always someone poorer than you, but there's always someone less poor who should be doing more. — Isaac

I get what you're saying here, but what does that have to do with the crux of BLM's message of systemic racism and the lack of transparency when it comes to police misconduct?

Maybe I'm not being fair to his analysis, I haven't gone into it. I was just recently exposed to his rants and they've been floating around my head. — Welkin Rogue

During my downtime I'm going to analyze that video and come back here to it.

I want to apologize for the late response as I'm recently recovering from contracting Covid-19

the obvious and necessary qualifier "also" from their anti-racist cri du coeur which should have been, more aptly, BLACK LIVES ALSO MATTER. — 180 Proof

I could understand that. However I think there was the emphasis or implied emphasis of the phrase, I suppose.

Like after "9-11", the oft-repeated question (vis-à-vis jihadi terrorists) that made the rounds with media pundits & talking heads: "Why Do They Hate Us?" Or how the Black Panthers were/are officially designated "a terrorist organization" and yet the KKK still are not. 'White Supremacy' is manifestly tolerated by many (most?) whites because it doesn't threaten them - white people as such - or the caste-priviledges of Whiteness in America (& Europe); it's the defeated (treasonous, pro-slavery) Confederate Flags, Statues, Monuments & Generals' Names everywhere to honor a dishonorable "heritage" and "lost cause" in order to prop-up bloated White Priviledge grown so cripplingly obese from centuries of cannibalizing Black Brown Yellow & Red bodies that Whiteness now can barely stand or trundle or even wipe itself (e.g. MAGA tRumpers, dog-whistle (dixiecrat) Reagan Republicans, boll weevil/blue dog Democrats). The plea "Stop killing us" threatens their ancestral prerogatives to do just that with impunity and without troubling their KKKhristian consciences. — 180 Proof

Very well said.....

Lastly though (just riffin' here mind you), perhaps more fundamentally, many white people (seem to me/us to) feel threatened merely by discussing "racism" because they do not believe the survivors of white terror and their continually brutalized descendents only want "Social Justice" and "Equality", but, what we're really after instead, I believe whites believe, is revenge. — 180 Proof

That is the perception however, from OUR (people of color's perspective) such a notion of revenge masqueraded as "equality" is only the result of the residual effects of white privilege. But I invite you to the following video (please skip all the way to 29:30):

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/ideology-racism-misusing-science-justify-racial-discrimination

Because this thread is about my personal experience. I haven’t encountered anyone other than black people that appeared to be gang members. — Pinprick

Maybe you should change your environment.

This extends beyond suicide itself to, for example, martyrs voluntarily letting themselves be fed alive to Nero's lions. — ernestm

Good point, but martyrdom in this case relates to religious/spiritual fervor.

What is the issue with suicidal thought? — Shawn

Depends. Very complex. There is no one answer.

Why is it important that I provide these details? — Wheatley

I suspect for statistical reasons and census.

Really? Not even sombreros or burkas? — Pinprick

I acknowledge that sombreros are a Mexican tradition, and Burkas are an Afghanistanian tradition, but I don't look at someone's clothing and say "yeah he dresses like a Mexican" because for one, I don't know their nationality just by observing them and two, more ethnic cultures are not homogenous.

I’m speaking specifically about black people who dress like gang members. — Pinprick

There is no gang attire per se, however there are pieces of clothing that can be gang affiliated. I mean, if I sag my pants, or wear a particular brand of shoe that doesn't necessarily mean one is in a gang.

I’m willing to make the statement that black gang members have a distinct look that is distinguishable from gang members of other races. — Pinprick

That is false. For someone who lives in an area that doesn't have many blacks you're making a lot of assumptions here.

So when I refer to black people within the context of this thread, that is the group I’m referring to. — Pinprick

I wonder why you're singling out black people period. I mean there are dangerous white bikers who dress a certain way, not sure why you're not mentioning them. My question is why black people in general? You could've picked any other ethnic group.

Therefore, just saying “gang members” isn’t appropriate. — Pinprick

No it is appropriate because all black gang members don't dress alike. I know, I grew up in the lifestyle and have family in that lifestyle.

Because I have no known interactions with with either group, or people who appear to belong to either group. — Pinprick

So maybe you should have changed your thread to "black people, fashion, and racism" then. Because the title is to broad because all you want to do is discuss about black people.

I’m generalizing all black people who appear to be gang members, as gang members. — Pinprick

I wonder what this has to do with philosophy because you don't even know how gang members dress to begin with.

Doing so seems justified to me, but like I mentioned in an earlier post, others view doing so as racist. — Pinprick

You really need to do some self-reflection and check your own biases.

I mean how should I react when I see a black person that looks like a gang member? Should I be cautious and avoid eye contact, etc.? — Pinprick

No. Grow some balls look them in the eye and acknowledge them like a human being.

/End Thread

My point is that all races are sometimes portrayed negatively, and all races are sometimes portrayed favorably. — Pinprick

Sure.

It seems like in light of this, the question is how much negative portrayal is needed to form a racial bias? — Pinprick

Media and consistency. If you can convince the world an ethnic group is bad over time people will believe it.

So you differentiate between racial and clothing biases based on the use of the term “black people?” — Pinprick

What I’m saying is you’re making generalizations and not carefully placing your words.

I guess that is my mistake then, but I thought it was clear that I was only referring to a specific type of black person. After this clarification, does your position still stand? — Pinprick

When you say blacks (plural) or “black people” you’re making it clear you’re castigating an entire group. As far as differentiating I guess because I live in California and exposed to different groups of people, I don’t associate clothing with ethnicity. However there are cultural trends that other cultures adopt.

If you’re looking for an explanation, it’s that I associate the type of black person I’ve described with violence/aggression due to him appearing to be a gang member. And that is the case because gang members are violent and have a similar appearance. — Pinprick

Then just say gang members. Don’t say “I think black people dress aggressively on purpose” because clearly your categorizing a certain behavior with a clothing type.

BTW, should I be offended or consider you to be racially biased since you didn’t say some white people, Asians, or Arabs? — Pinprick

No because I was making a point of you singling out one specific ethnic group. To demonstrate your knack of racial bias. I mean you sure didn’t mention the Hells Angels of Nazi Skin heads or the Yakuza.

Ok. I advise you do the same. — Pinprick

I didn’t begin this thread with a generalization, you did.

Ok, and what should the default reaction be to someone you assume is a gang member? — Pinprick

SMH. I mean gang signs for one. Tagging, tattoos, where you’re located at for starters.

Speaking on language and the experiences of many black Americans let me share this in relation to the OP:



As I said racism is beyond language. I apologize for the graphic language but this is the reality many blacks have faced.