180 Proof

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Was Schopenhauer right?
Schopenhauer's assessment of Stoicism was more profound than that of Nietzsche.
Perhaps it seems that way because N's assessment was Dionysian and not as Apollionian as S's assessment.
Was Schopenhauer right?
... in your opinion, is his enduring influence to this day due to him being right? — Shawn
No, it's more to do with his style and curmudgeonly charming wit and the potent way he braids together Kantianism and (philosophical strands of) Hinduism. He certainly offers a lot of idealist/antirealist/subjectivist philosophical grist for the 'bourgeois New Age' mill (though it might not be apparent to most). Schopenhauer is also, IMO, a more intelligible alternative 'philosopher of being' to Heidegger and other p0m0 sophists which is why his thought has long been so influential (second only to Nietzsche?) on various, great literary and musical artists throughout the late great Twentieth century.
Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
Zionism is the Jewish liberation movement. — Moses
Nazism is the Aryan liberation movement. :roll:

I would have been a [Ashken]Nazi in the 40s. :up: — BitconnectCarlos
Was Schopenhauer right?
Schopenhauer is an (quasi-ascetic) antinatalist as a consequence of his (transcendental) pessimism. 'Better to not have been born' sums up his view of the human condition. :sweat:

NB: As much as enjoy I reading Schop, I much prefer Spinoza before him and Nietzsche after. Also, Zapffe-Camus-Cioran-Rosset's absurdism (along with folk blues & jazz) have helped me to despair more cheerfully. :death: :flower:
Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
I think quite a few of them would have been Nazis or sympathizers in the 40s. — BitconnectCarlos
Projection like this is often a confession (e.g. Zionfascists or sympathizers in the 2020s). :shade:
Axiology is the highest good
... profess the study of value to become more content or cognizant of what to value. — Shawn
I'm (very) old school: they (we) are what we do and not merely what they (we) say – practice alone cultivates habits. To "profess" is merely to preach which, more than anything, promotes hypocrisy. Besides, axiology is the study of how to reflectively form and apply value that necessarily begins with critique of "what to value" (i.e. givens re: customary, sociological, religious, ideological, etc) and therefore, IMO, does not (except, maybe, by process of elimination) posit/justify "what to value".
In any objective morality existence is inherently good
Do you have a counter proposal for existence 180 Proof? — Philosophim
For me, "existence" is atemporal and things which "exist in time" are temporal – like the relation between 'the continuum' and 'sets', respectively – following from how Spinoza conceives of Substance (sub specie aeternitatis) and its Modes ... (sub specie durationis). So while (some of) that which "exists in time" might be "good" – better (for you/us/all) existing than not existing – "good" "bad" & "indifferent" existents presuppose existence that makes possible – is prior to and in excess of – any and all "value". Thus, in my understanding, evaluating the ground of all evaluations (i.e. judging the ground of all judgments) – e.g. "existence is inherently good" – seems to me viciously circular and therefore incoherent.

↪Philosophim
As for "objective morality", I propose that its objective basis is nature in general and disvalues (i.e. suffering of natural beings) in particular – whatever harms, or is bad (dysfunctional, maladaptive) for, our kind (and other species) – which I summarize in this post ...

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/843592

and elaborated on here ...

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/887625
Which theory of time is the most evidence-based?
I am talking about physically visiting another point in the past — Truth Seeker
Like I said in my previous post ...

travel faster-than-light (backwards in time according to Einstein's GR) in order to reach [the] past ... — 180 Proof
:nerd:

e.g. going back in time and preventing the murder of John Lennon.
Well, I suspect that that sort of 'temporal change' would branch-off into another timeline (i.e. 'parallel' version of this universe) in which JL lived at least one more day ... but in y/our native (original) timeline JL would still have been murdered.
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
↪Mr Bee
:up: :up:
Axiology is the highest good
The study of axiology enhances the appreciation of value. — Shawn
"The study of axiology" is not itself axiology (i.e the study of value), so how does this "enhance the appreciation of value" when its object of study is not even (a) value?

And "appreciation of value" does not even evaluate (or act consistently with) (a) value, so what does such "appreciation" mean, that is, what is one doing when one is "appreciating" value itself – a mere abstraction (like a number)?
Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
Lincoln once said "If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong." We can apply that to the Holocaust as well. — RogueAI
Also applies to the Nakba ... :mask:
In any objective morality existence is inherently good
This apple on a tree at exactly 1.23 seconds after existence is an apple. — Philosophim
I do not understand this sentence.

Also, "existence" =/= "existing" (i.e. ground =/= grounding).

Again:

Existence can be an action ...
— Philosophim
Explain how. — 180 Proof
In any objective morality existence is inherently good
Existence can be an action ... — Philosophim
Explain how.
In any objective morality existence is inherently good
existence is good — Philosophim
– for what?

"There should be existence"
This statement doesn't make sense (i.e. is a category mistake) because "existence" in not an action or practice and therefore cannot be prescribed.
What is Philosophy?
↪Sam26
:ok: If you say so ...
What is Philosophy?
A kind of meta-psychotherapy? — ENOAH
If you say so ... sorry I can't follow the rest of your post.

So, in a very general way, it's [philosophy is] about what we believe. — Sam26
Superficially maybe. I'd rather put it this way: philosophy consists in reflective questioning of the assumptions and implications of "what we believe" (i.e. logic-grammar-dialectics preceeds epistēmē).
Which theory of time is the most evidence-based?
If the past still exists, why can't we visit it and change it? — Truth Seeker
We do it all the time – the "visits and changes" are our memories.

Also, all the starlight that reaches Earth is years-to-millennia millennia old and would require us to travel faster-than-light (backwards in time according to Einstein's GR) in order to reach those past stars.

Some reasons why a "Block Time Theory" doesn't make as much sense to me as the "Growing Block Universe".
Is atheism illogical?
↪Pantagruel
:ok: I must've missed all that ...
Which theory of time is the most evidence-based?
Growing Block Universe: This theory is similar to the block universe theory but adds the idea that time is "growing" or expanding as new events come into existence. The past and present exist, but the future does not yet exist. — Truth Seeker
This interpretation seems to me both the most evidence-based and consistent with human experience.
Is atheism illogical?
↪Pantagruel
Okay, summarize the relevant part of Durkheim's thesis that accounts for (or explains away) this observation:

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/902702
Axiology is the highest good
What they value. — Shawn
:roll:
Axiology is the highest good
... anyone concerned about "the good." — Shawn
And what is "the good" to "anyone" – philosopher and non-philosopher alike?
Axiology is the highest good
↪Shawn
So only philosophers can recognize or seek "the highest good"?
Axiology is the highest good
the highest good. — Shawn
What does "highest good", as you're using the term, mean or refer to?
Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
So far everyone appears to know what a war crime is except me. Anyone care to fill me in? Anyone? — tim wood
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml :roll:
Axiology is the highest good
The thesis statement of this thread is that axiology (the study of value) is the highest good. — Shawn
Your thesis statement is circular at best (e.g. the study of value is 'the highest value' :roll:).
Is "good" something that can only be learned through experience?
↪Shawn
What you keep saying has nothing to do with what I've written. "Appreciation" is irrelevant to my concerns as expressed here
↪180 Proof
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Is "good" something that can only be learned through experience?
Isn't the negation of disvalue, the meaning of appreciation - — Shawn
No.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/902327

or maybe you meant this in terms of aesthetics?
Also in terms of ethics and logic.

For me, axiology is the highest good.
Axiology is the study of value.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiology
What are your core beliefs?
↪BitconnectCarlos
:up:
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
The systematic atrocity of Netanyahu's mass murdering with impunity goes on because (A) Israel receives too much US-EU finanvial & military support and (B) Israelis aren't bleeding enough (yet) for the citizenry en mass to rise up and stop Bibi's zionfascist regime from slaughtering any more Gazans et al.
What are your core beliefs?
↪BitconnectCarlos
The topic concerns "core beliefs" and not core delusions (e.g. pet conspiracy theories). "Brain worm" troubling you today, BC? :sweat:
Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
↪Benkei
:up:.
Is life nothing more than suffering?
Is life nothing more than suffering? — Arnie
No. Life seems to be suffering plus *temporarily better or worse conditions / interpretations* ... I think one sustainably reduces one's own suffering – one flourishes¹ – by acquiring habits of preventing or reducing the suffering (i.e. dysfunctions, miseries, agonies, fears) of others. Btw, "happiness" is just like a full belly, more a memory than a lasting experience; many miserable persns make themselves "happy"² momentarily via addictions or criminal / sadistic acts which inevitably only compound their miseries.

https://lisamarieblair.medium.com/eudaimonia-or-when-human-beings-flourish-b9c5943bad22 [1]
(i.e. beneficial growth and deveopment)

https://bigthink.com/thinking/how-to-measure-happiness-hedonia-vs-eudaimonia/ [2]
(i.e. merely momentary comfort)
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
Trump's of course, but Trump is his own worst enemy. Trying to shame a porn-star is like trying to spice up a chili pickle. — unenlightened
:lol: :up:
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Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
↪RogueAI
War crimes are always "justified" by the victors. Your poll is ahistorical, therefore incoherent.

↪Lionino
:up:
Is atheism illogical?
Point taken. I'll remember not to cast anymore pearls before you, @BitconnectCarlos.
Is atheism illogical?
No need to bring up martyrdom here. — BitconnectCarlos
Clearly your "faith" has martyred your honesty and intelligence.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/902594
Is atheism illogical?
↪BitconnectCarlos
Nonsense. Martyrs usually possess an overpowering "sense of purpose" which allows (causes) them to annihilate themselves (and often others too) "in the name of" their tribal / sectarian faiths.
Is atheism illogical?
↪Vera Mont
"Fear" of what? :smirk:

↪BitconnectCarlos
And how does "an important belief" deter ... suicide?

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