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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Anyway, the Supreme Court has already ruled on this in Brandenburg v. Ohio:

    These later decisions have fashioned the principle that the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    And that’s on them, not Trump. Took you long enough to get there.NOS4A2

    It's on both.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    But there are people willing to act on all of the above, to abide by someone else’s dictates, up until and including throwing someone in jail because he made certain sounds with his mouth.NOS4A2

    And there are people willing to act on Trump's false claims of a stolen election and his suggestion to "fight like hell" against an "illegitimate president".

    Glad you finally understand.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Their gag order is censorship.NOS4A2

    The gag order is just words. They don’t censor anything. That would be sorcery. Trump is perfectly able to ignore the gag order and say and post what he wants.

    And as gag orders are just words, judges have a First Amendment right to issue them. They’re allowed to say whatever they like - even if they are threatening punishment.

    You can criticise any punishment that’s actually issued, but unless and until that happens, there’s nothing for you to object to.

    And the same for you paying your taxes.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    If others are forced to move at the sight and sound of words, what’s your excuse?NOS4A2

    Well this a strawman. Influence and incitement aren’t force.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    What you don’t mention is all the sales and all the ads that do not influence you.NOS4A2

    I’m not claiming that everyone is influenced by everything. I’m claiming that people can be influenced by the things other people say. It’s not sorcery; it’s psychology.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I suppose that reveals more about youNOS4A2

    That my behaviour can be influenced by the words I see and hear? Well, yes. That's just a well-known fact of psychology. Advertising is a science.

    It's also why some politicians use slogans like Obama's "Yes we can" and Trump's "Make America Great Again". They serve a psychological purpose in winning over support that a dry explanation of policy wouldn't achieve.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Are you the type that buys a product when you see an ad for it?NOS4A2

    Not all the time, but I'm a sucker for a sale.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Not a single one of them has caused or influenced a goddamn thing.NOS4A2

    It's a good thing you don't work in advertising.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    https://newrepublic.com/post/177342/jack-smith-new-evidence-trump-tried-start-riot-michigan

    Prosecutors with special counsel Jack Smith revealed Tuesday that they have proof an “agent” for Donald Trump tried to cause a riot in Michigan to stop the vote count in the 2020 presidential election.

    Smith indicted Trump in August for his role in the January 6 insurrection and other attempts to overturn the presidential election. Smith’s team said in a Tuesday court filing that an unindicted co-conspirator, identified only as “Campaign Employee” sent text messages on November 4, 2020, to an attorney working with Trump’s campaign at the TCF Center in Detroit, where ballots were being counted.

    “In the messages, the Campaign Employee encouraged rioting and other methods of obstruction when he learned that the vote count was trending in favor of the defendant’s opponent,” prosecutors said.

    Joe Biden won Michigan in 2020 with 50.6 percent of the vote. Trump was just a few percentage points behind.

    According to the filing, around the same time the employee sent those messages, “an election official at the TCF Center observed that as Biden began to take the lead, a large number of untrained individuals flooded the TCF Center and began making illegitimate and aggressive challenges to the vote count.” Meanwhile, Trump himself began pushing false claims about the TCF Center.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism


    You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying.

    These are two different sentences with two different truth conditions:

    1. My mind exists
    2. Only my mind exists

    The existence of my mind is sufficient for (1) to be true but insufficient for (2) to be true. Something other than the existence of my mind is (also) required for (2) to be true:

    Only my mind exists iff a) my mind exists and b) nothing else exists.

    (b) is a state-of-affairs but not something that exists. Therefore your claim that “something is a state-of-affairs only if it exists” is false.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    But they can let a racist DA…NOS4A2

    Racist?
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    I may be needing to adjust my view here because there is no object.AmadeusD

    Objects don't need to exist for statements to be true. "Santa doesn't exist" is true. "1 + 1 = 2" is true. "The last ever human will die before the heat death of the Universe" is true. “Dinosaurs once walked the Earth” is true.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism


    "trees exist" is made true by the existence of something and "trees don't exist" is made true by the non-existence of something. As such, existence of something is not a prerequisite of truth.

    In fact, "trees don't exist" is true even if nothing exists.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    the absence of anything but that one mind exists in scenario 1.AmadeusD

    You're saying that non-existence exists. That makes no sense. At the very least you seem to be using the term "exists" in two different way which I suspect is leading you to equivocate.

    I still end up with the answer "Not existing isn't a state of affairs". It's talking about a non-state-of-affairs.AmadeusD

    If you want to say that not existing isn't a state of affairs, and if it is objectively true that nothing else exists in scenario 1, then you must accept that objective truth does not always depend on there being some corresponding state of affairs.

    So whether non-existence is a state of affairs or whether objective truth does not depend on some corresponding state of affairs, it is the case that objective truth does not always depend on the existence of something, and so it is fallacious to claim that moral realism is false because it doesn't correspond to something that exists.
  • Web development in 2023
    So it's not like it actually frees up the use of the literal verbose name of the variable itself. It just makes it so "Ok now I have to use use '$name2' or '$variable2' instead of what comes firsthand in mind." as far as secondhand development/utilization of a framework goes.Outlander

    No, it means you're not allowed to change the name.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    I agree with the statement that “something is a state-of-affairs only if it exists”Bob Ross

    Consider two scenarios:

    Scenario 1:
    Only my mind exists

    Scenario 2:
    Only my mind and your mind exist

    The sentence "only my mind exists" is true in scenario 1 but false in scenario 2. If a sentence is true only if it refers to something that exists then it must be that something exists in scenario 1 that doesn't exist in scenario 2. But this clearly isn't the case. The only thing that exists in scenario 1 – my mind – also exists in scenario 2.

    That nothing else exists in scenario 1 is a state-of-affairs, but not something that "exists". Therefore it is false to say that something is a state-of-affairs only if it exists.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-ground-forces-operating-across-gaza-strip-offensive-builds-2023-12-04/

    Intense Israeli air strikes hit the south of the Gaza Strip on Monday, killing and wounding dozens of Palestinians, including in areas where Israel had told people to seek shelter, residents and journalists on the ground said.

    Well that's pretty fucking terrible.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    If you agree to that, we can put the whole issue of truth to the side and just talk about how statements refer, right?frank

    Sure, although I don't know how statements refer.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    Edit: except that if you're a physicalist and you endorse correspondence theory, then for you, true statements are going to have to refer to physical things (or things that reduce to the physical.)frank

    I think of physicalism as the thesis that everything that exists is physical. That's not the same as saying that every true statement refers to a physical thing. The sentences "Santa does not exist" and "1 + 1 = 2" are true but do not refer to physical things.

    I think too many in this discussion equate "truth" with "existence". They are separate matters of enquiry.

    So we're dispensing with talk of the T-sentence and directions of fit, right? We're now directly addressing this argument for moral realism:

    1. premise: Correspondence theory of truth
    2. Moral statement M is true.
    3. because of correspondence theory, M corresponds to a state of the world.
    4. therefore, moral realism.

    Do you agree with that? Correspondence theory is not rooted in physicalism. It was first expressed during the "age of essence" by Aristotle. It's blind to ontological commitments.
    frank

    I think of moral realism as the thesis that moral propositions are truth-apt and (attempt to) refer to objective features of the world, and that some such propositions are true.

    If a statement "corresponding" to the world just is that it refers to the world and is true, then sure, moral realism implicitly endorses the correspondence theory of truth.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism


    The proposition "Santa does not exist" is true because it corresponds to the state of affairs that Santa does not exist.

    The proposition "1 + 1 = 2" is true because it corresponds to the state of affairs that 1 + 1 = 2.

    The proposition "one ought not harm another" is true because it corresponds to the state of affairs that one ought not harm another.

    I'm not exactly sure what it is you want. If you want to say that a statement is true only if it corresponds to some physical thing, then I would dispute that. Santa not existing and 1 + 1 equalling 2 are not physical things, and yet they definitely are the case. The moral realist will say that that one ought nor harm another is not a physical thing, and yet definitely is the case.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    It is a fact that "santa does not exist" because what the proposition is referencing about reality is that there is no santa in it, and this is true.Bob Ross

    And the moral realist will say that it is a fact that one ought not harm another because what the proposition is referencing about reality is that one ought not harm another, and this is true.

    At times it seems that you think of a fact as referring to something that physically exists, e.g. here where you say "[facts] correspond to a state-of-affairs in reality (where ‘reality’ is the ‘totality of stance-independently, existent things’)," although this is inconsistent with what you're now saying about the fact of Santa's non-existence.

    Santa's non-existence is a state-of-affairs, but not an existing thing. This assumption that something is a state-of-affairs only if it exists is a false one, and so morality not existing (e.g. as some physical thing) does not entail that there are no moral states-of-affairs.
  • Web development in 2023
    Instead use a prefix so it would be

    $_name
    Outlander

    That used to be how things were done, but then PHP introduced "protected" and "private" visibility precisely so that we didn't have to do this.
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    and by 'fact' I mean 'a statement which corresponds to reality such that what it refers to about reality is there'Bob Ross

    So it is not a fact that Santa doesn't exist? I don't think it makes sense to say that Santa's non-existence is "there".
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    Yes. In order to know that there is a difference between two things, one must have access to both in order to compare them.creativesoul

    It's not that simplistic. I have no "access" to your parents and yet I know that they're different. Some things we understand rationally. The distinction between "analytic", "synthetic a priori", and "empirical" knowledge is central to Kant's philosophy.

    It's been a while since I've read him, but I think his argument is that knowledge of noumena is synthetic a priori, whereas you seem to be arguing that because it's not empirical then it's fallacious?

    Although I think modern science has discovered to an extent Kant's noumena; the fundamental particles of the Standard Model. They're the mind-independent things causally responsible for the subjective phenomena that we are familiar with.
  • Web development in 2023


    That's the entire purpose of things like public, protected, private, readonly, final, typing, interfaces, abstract, etc; to ensure that developers do things properly.

    If they choose to break the code, even unintentionally, perhaps they shouldn't even be coding in the first place.Outlander

    In reality things aren't this simple. People are fallible, we forget things and get tired. And especially with open source software, not every contributor is going to immediately know everything about every function and class and whatever. Being able to see at a glance 'protected "name"' immediately tells them that they're not supposed to do '$class->name = 'foo'''.

    Think of it as inline documentation with automatic error checking.
  • Web development in 2023


    That allows for public reassignment.

    $person->name = 'Mike';
    

    Often times you don't want that which is why such properties are usually protected or private.

    Perhaps a better example would be:

    class Person
    {
      public readonly string $initials;
      public function __construct(
        public readonly string $first_name,
        public readonly string $surname,
      )
      {
        $this->initials = substr($first_name, 0, 1) . substr($surname, 0, 1);
      }
    }
    
    $person = new Person('John Smith');
    
    echo $person->initials;
    
  • Web development in 2023
    I had to Google the "readonly" stipulation. What realistic (or even atypical) case scenarios can you provide that warrants its explicit use?Outlander

    You might want to get the name after creating the object.

    New way:
    class Person
    {
      public function __construct(public readonly string $name) {}
    }
    
    $person = new Person('Michael');
    
    echo $person->name;
    

    Old way:
    class Person
    {
      protected $name;
      public function __construct($name)
      {
        $this-name = $name;
      }
      public function getName()
      {
        return $this->name;
      }
    }
    
    $person = new Person('Michael');
    
    echo $person->getName();
    

    I'd much rather a default function-level based "error handling" (ie. not integer detected therefore, perform this) than a top level PHP error that breaks whatever the user is doing (and often the site or at least the specific action page in the process).

    They're optional. But it's to enforce good coding. If you're expecting an integer then you should write your code such that you only ever give it an integer. If at some point a string is being passed then you've coded it wrong. Strict typing ensures that these mistakes are picked up in development.
  • Web development in 2023
    Hopefully things haven't changed too much...Outlander

    How about

    class Person
    {
      public function __construct(
        public readonly string $name,
        public readonly int $age
      ) {}
    }
    
  • Web development in 2023
    the SQL stuff is a bit yikes to me.Jamal

    You might also say "what the fuck?" ;)

    Hence the name.
  • Web development in 2023
    I see you're using Typescript.Jamal

    My first time trying it. It takes some getting used to. I'm finding it more complicated that PHP's static typing.

    By the way, amongst the front-end frameworks, I've found Svelte to be the most enjoyable to work with.Jamal

    I've been using Preact at work. I like how small and fast it is. Briefly tried Vue and had a glance at Svelte, but my colleague is suggesting htmx for future projects so that's what I've been doing recently and what inspired me to make this.

    There's just so much to learn. :shade:

    I'm also in the process of building a PHP framework, inspired by Laravel but much smaller and faster. I just keep getting distracted by other things. :lol:

    It's a work in progress so not yet open source but parts of it are public anyway so check it out if you're interested: https://github.com/wtframework

    I'm particularly proud of the SQL statement builder (https://github.com/wtframework/sql). My intention is to allow for the full spec. Just need to finish off some CREATE and ALTER stuff (mostly to do with partitions).
  • Web development in 2023
    htmx and hyperscript are what inspired it
  • Web development in 2023
    @Jamal

    I was bored so spent the last day and a half building an experimental JSON-powered JavaScript framework. The idea came to me whilst getting my hair cut.

    https://github.com/on-js/on-js
  • Convince Me of Moral Realism
    "One cannot move pawns backwards."

    Is "objectively" true, but only in the context of playing a game of chess. Once that context is removed, it is objectively false: after all, I can move the piece backwards just as easily as any other direction. But note that the form of the sentence is no different than:

    "One cannot transmute lead into gold."

    Which is not dependent in its truth on any particular context.

    So the question is, are the truths of moral statements context dependent or context independent? To satisfy a moral arealist such as Bob Ross I think they must be context independent. But either way, the form in which the statements are posed cannot tell you that.
    hypericin

    Yes, this is a very good point, and shows that the nuances of objective truth isn't quite captured by the "realism" in moral realism.

    I've brought up mathematics before. Mathematical antirealists are not non-cognitivists, error theorists, or subjectivists; they believe in objective-like mathematical truths, albeit truths that do not depend on the mind-independent existence of abstract objects.

    I'm not sure if there's a popular "ism" that is comparable to this in metaethics. Moral realism seems like it could include the moral equivalents of both mathematical realism and mathematical antirealism.
  • An example where we can derive an "ought" from an "is"
    4 is required to get from the facts of hte matter, to the judgement about htose facts.AmadeusD

    (5) isn't a judgement; it's a fact.
  • An example where we can derive an "ought" from an "is"
    If nothing existed, that would be a state of affairs that included Santa not existing.AmadeusD

    Exactly. There are states of affairs even if there is no physical world. Something can be a state of affairs even if it does not "correspond" to something that physically exists. Therefore, your claim that if obligations do not "correspond" to something that physically exists then we have no obligations is a non sequitur.
  • An example where we can derive an "ought" from an "is"
    The brute facts remain:

    1. We exist
    2. We can be harmed
    3. We can harm others.
    4?????? (this is where i'm not seeing any work being done)
    5. One ought not harm.
    AmadeusD

    We don't need (4). (5) isn't derived from (1) - (3); it's brute (much like you have taken (1) to be brute).
  • An example where we can derive an "ought" from an "is"
    Which is extant in the state of the physical world - Santa isn't in it.AmadeusD

    Santa doesn't exist even if nothing exists. There are states of affairs even if there is no physical world; indeed, if a physical world doesn't exist then that a physical world doesn't exist is a state of affairs.

    And I had other examples too: that 1 + 1 = 2, that certain arguments are valid, that it is irrational to believe in something if the evidence suggests otherwise, etc.
  • An example where we can derive an "ought" from an "is"
    That is a physical state of affairs.AmadeusD

    Santa's non-existence isn't a physical thing. By definition it's the lack of a physical thing.