But something intelligent existing eternally has creation power. It can create the universe out of nothing. Stupid dead matter can't create itself, even if eternal. It's too stupid for that so it had to be brought into existence an infinite time ago. Or maybe a few big bangs in the past. — Haglund
How can something non-intelligent exist without being cretated? — Haglund
That's the whole point of the closure. Eternal intelligence need not be created. Only the non-intelligent stuff of the universe. — Haglund
Reality must have a beginning. — Cidat
Then why preface your sentences with "the Buddha said" and such? — baker
Sure, you can let go of this piece of cake after eating some of it, but can you give up desiring to eat delicious food altogether? — baker
For every "Buddha said" one should have a canonical reference. One wouldn't want to spread as "the word of the Buddha" something for which one doesn't have a reference. One wouldn't want to put words into his mouth. So one relies on a bonafide source for his words. — baker
Do provide a canonical reference for this. — baker
squeezy — praxis
I like the way you say this, as though it were the simplest thing in the world to do, a piece of cake, or easy peasy lemon squeezy. — praxis
I understand your joy of philosophy! You may hold that without debate. What I'm asking is can your view point avoid what the OP is stating? If its always existed, then there is no prior reason for its existence. Thus the reason things have always existed is the fact of its existence. That's the first cause. I'm stating that no matter what we can envision in a chain of causality, it will always logically end up to end at a first cause. — Philosophim
Why has existence always existed? What caused it to be that way? — Philosophim
There was no cause. If something has always been, then it was not caused to be. The idea that there MUST be a beginning seems logical but not necessarily true.
— Present awareness
Then you agree with the OP. — Philosophim
What caused reality to be that way? — Philosophim
The first, and very obvious question is, "If you are a body, then why do you say 'my body', 'I have a body', and so on?" You can't be a body and have a body at the same time, can you? — Alkis Piskas