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  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪ENOAH
    Thank you for explaining. I understand now. I agree.
  • What is truth?
    ↪180 Proof
    I counted that there are two bananas in my fruit bowl. Is that an objective knowledge or a subjective sensory perception?
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪ENOAH
    I am sorry, I don't understand what you said. Please clarify.
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪ENOAH
    I agree.
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪Paine
    I think we live in an objective world. That's why we can share our subjective thoughts using words. My subjective thoughts are being typed in this post and it will be perceived by your visual cortex. Both of us have subjective aspects but we can both engage with an objective reality.
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪Lionino
    You are right.
  • What is truth?
    ↪180 Proof
    You are assuming that what is subjective is imaginary or self-refuting. How would I know anything objectively?
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪javi2541997
    If we take death - or suicide - as something subjective, there could be a possibility that my dead corpse could be something true for some but for others don't. — javi2541997
    I see the problem. Until someone knows that you have died (either by discovering your dead body or by hearing it from someone, etc.), they still think that you are still alive. For example, my uncle died on Wednesday. I didn't know about it until several hours after he had died. Even though he was dead, I still thought that he was alive until my mum told me that my uncle had suddenly died. I think that this means there is an objective reality which we become aware of through our subjective sensory perceptions. My uncle had died in the objective reality but I didn't become aware of it until my mum told me about it. Is the way I perceive the colour green identical to the way you or another person perceives the colour green?
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪javi2541997
    Are you claiming that some experiences like death and suicide are dependent upon shared subjective truths to be plausible? — javi2541997

    No, I am not claiming that. If you were to kill yourself tomorrow (I hope you don't), I wouldn't know about it unless I find your body or someone else finds your body and tells me about it. So, your dead body would be a shared subjective truth for everyone who sees your dead body.
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪Max2
    https://ibb.co/MB9qBhL has a Venn diagram I have created to help convey what I mean.
  • What is truth?
    ↪180 Proof
    I think that my claim is merely subjective. Just because it is subjective, does that necessarily mean that it's a belief? I see these words on the website. For me, the act of seeing the words is subjective. How would I know anything objectively? Here is a Venn diagram I created to explain what I mean https://ibb.co/MB9qBhL
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪flannel jesus
    It doesn't let me revise the poll question. I wanted to make it clearer. I don't think we can know anything objectively.
  • We don't know anything objectively
    ↪180 Proof
    All of my sensory perceptions, thoughts, emotions, etc. are subjective. How can I possibly know anything objectively?
  • What is truth?
    ↪180 Proof
    Yes, all of my sensory perceptions, thoughts, emotions, etc. are subjective. How can I possibly know anything objectively?
  • What is truth?
    ↪Count Timothy von Icarus
    We can't know anything outside our subjective perceptions and understanding.
  • How to Live a Fulfilling Life
    ↪Tom Storm
    I agree.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪Corvus
    It's written in their holy book. I don't agree with them. I think all religions are fiction made up by people.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪Corvus
    Hinduism is more than 5,000 years old which makes it the oldest surviving religion on Earth. It has many Gods. Hindus believe that living things have immortal souls which reincarnate according to karma. The original Buddhism is atheistic.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪ENOAH
    Thank you.
  • How to Live a Fulfilling Life
    ↪Sir2u
    :rofl:
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    I agree.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    I live in the U.K. currently but I was born in Bangladesh. I have read the book "Brave New World" and I don't have the time to watch the movie but thank you for the recommendation. Governments are supposed to protect people but they don't always succeed.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪ENOAH
    It's possible I have misunderstood the Hindu concept of Maya which means illusion. I am not an expert on Hinduism. I only know what I have read about it.

    In the Advaita Vedanta school of Hindu philosophy, māyā, "appearance", is "the powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real".
    - quoting from
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(religion)
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    That's interesting. Time will tell. Thank you for telling me about it.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪Corvus
    I believed Santa Claus was real.
    I believed people live forever.
    I believed if people die, then they come back to life in a few days of rest, after seeing the same action movie actor being killed in a movie, then a few weeks later, he was back in another movie fighting the gangsters.
    I believed that old folks are born old, young folks like me are born young, and it will be like that forever.
    I believed that my parents might be God, because they could buy me nice things.
    I believed that the world is the size of my town where I lived.
    I believed that when I am asleep, the world disappears, and I am the centre of the universe.
    ... etc etc.
    — Corvus

    Thank you very much for sharing your childhood illusions with us. I didn't have any of your illusions. I was kidnapped when I was four years and five months old. I have experienced all kinds of horrors that I am not going to give you the gory details of as I don't want to traumatise you.

    According to Hinduism, the entire universe is an illusion. I am not convinced that Hinduism is true. I am an agnostic atheist materialist monist hard determinist.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪Corvus
    You are right. I am not a professional philosopher. I am not even studying philosophy.
  • How to Live a Fulfilling Life
    ↪Sir2u
    I see your point. The above tips on How to Live a Fulfilling Life is free for all so the author is not making any money from it. It's written anonymously so the author is not receiving fame for it either.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    I am just going by what I have observed. 99.9% of all the species to evolve so far on Earth are already extinct. The world is full of omnivores, carnivores, herbivores, and parasites. Why aren't all living things autotrophs the way all plants (except for carnivorous plants) are? It would be even better if all living things were nonconsumers. Human history and our present are full of violence, murder, war, exploitation, slavery, genocide, rape, torture, robbery, theft, etc. I have been kidnapped, raped, beaten up and robbed. Six of my relatives were murdered in separate incidents. My best friend was also murdered. The criminals got away with the crimes. If hard determinism is true, the criminals are not even morally culpable. "Might is right. Adapt or die" is what I have seen from my earliest memories to the present. I hate all the suffering, inequality, injustice, and death in the world. I wish we lived in a nice world where everyone is forever happy. I don't think it would be boring. If every living thing were all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful and owned an infinite number of universes each, how could we be bored?
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    The universe of Star Trek is a positive one but it is fiction. I try hard to keep my personal ecological footprint low. Are you talking about New Age spirituality?
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    Might is right. Adapt or die. This is how the real world works. I wish we lived in a nice world where every living thing is forever happy but we don't.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    I didn't know things were so bad. What is the solution?
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Gnomon
    Please see https://thehumaneleague.org/article/environmental-benefits-of-veganism
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪Athena
    I don't know the answer to your question. I agree that religions and political ideologies (e.g. communism, capitalism, socialism, etc.) are opinions.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪BC
    I agree that we also go to war over resources e.g. land, oil, etc.
  • How to Live a Fulfilling Life
    ↪180 Proof
    That too, happens.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪Corvus
    We don't have the means to test the simulation hypothesis.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪jkop
    I agree with you. When I said
    I think that if we could work out what is fact and what is opinion, it would help us get on with each other better
    I was thinking of things such as religions and politics. We have murdered a lot of people over the last five thousand years over religions and politics and we are still at it. We need to end our violence before it ends us.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪BC
    I agree with you.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪BC
    I understand that you enjoy the taste of meat. Most people do. We evolved as omnivores. I am pleased that you see how going vegan would help the environment. It would also help people and the sentient organisms we consume.
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ↪BC
    I agree. The rich need to downgrade their high-ecological-impact lifestyle into a sustainable lifestyle. All humans going vegan would help.
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