You'd have other reasons that caused your action, though. — NKBJ
You'd have other reasons that caused your action, though. — NKBJ
Do you agree, then, that Freewill can't be understood because it can't be explained since that would require a causal (deterministic) model? — TheMadFool
You make choices based on a mixture of your personal biology and past experiences. Take away those two things and there's nothing left of "you."
There's nothing "free" about a free will, because it's just random and wouldn't be based on reason or values or experience or knowledge or anything. It would be chaos. — NKBJ
And you don't notice that it isn't like that after all. — unenlightened
There's nothing "free" about a free will, because it's just random and wouldn't be based on reason or values or experience or knowledge or anything. It would be chaos. — NKBJ
If the will is the deciding agent for causality, then that would mean it chooses, and by choosing that implies some degree of freedom — Merkwurdichliebe
You haven't provided any substantive argument for why it wouldn't be so. — NKBJ
No. And you haven't provided any substantive argument for why it would be so. But I have the advantage that people make choices, and I don't need to explain it, merely notice it, whereas you need to explain it away — unenlightened
But even if the choice is predicated upon determinate factors, the choice itself is not predetermined — Merkwurdichliebe
Or you could consider the Nietzschean idea that there are so many unknowns that factor into choice, that I have no idea what's going on, but like to think I cause things — Merkwurdichliebe
And what part of you is untouched by predetermining factors? — NKBJ
But you want a cause for my choice... — unenlightened
What part is not determined? — NKBJ
yet are—or at least rationally can be—metaphysically free from an otherwise infinite web of perfectly fixed efficient causations … and this without being in any way chaotic. — javra
This want, whatever it may be, is the a propelling motive for us to make a choice between alternatives—and this propelling motive determines our motion (roughly, our change of being) in actively making a decision; i.e., determines that we engage in the psychological action. Each want (each propelling motive) has some either ready established or else not yet established resolution that is pursued. — javra
So are you saying that this "want" or "motive" is determined or the part of choice that is not fully determined? — NKBJ
Stating it differently: there can be no choice (an action or motion) without some form of want (a driving motive where "motive" is understood as "something that determines motion"). The motive--irrespective of what it itself is determined by--determines the process of choice making. — javra
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