The point is that the norms for applying concepts are impersonal, public.
'I fucking hate getting wet, so I ran naked into the rain' does not make sense in any but the most outlandish context. — plaque flag
That's not the point. The point is that I can talk about your first person experience even if your first person experience is hidden from me, whether in practice or in private. — Michael
Yes, I think you can intend my private experience. You can speculate about my concealed feelings. Such concealed feelings make sense (I claim) inasmuch as they function in inferences. — plaque flag
words like "red" and "sweet" can refer your concealed sensory experience. — Michael
What do we make of inverted color spectrums ? — plaque flag
And so it’s easy to understand, both in principle and in practice, that the sensory experience you call red isn’t the sensory experience that I call red. — Michael
That's where he shows those with eyes to see that meaning is public, concepts are norms. Beetles don't supply meaning. Back then, it made more sense to think Wittgenstein was crazy. — plaque flag
Without private meaning and private concepts there would be no public meaning and public concepts. — RussellA
I'm not saying there isn't a beetle in your box. I'm just saying the concepts are public. You don't get to make up your own language and your own logic ---and that's what oxymoronic private concepts would entail or mean (inasmuch as I can parse the phrase at all.) — plaque flag
There are no private concepts. — plaque flag
But where did society get its concepts from if not from the members of that society ? — RussellA
And why not? — sime
A concept, a word becomes alive with meaning when a community has a use for it. — Richard B
But where did society get its concepts from if not from the members of that society ? — RussellA
More than any other animal we live in a symbolic realm that we cocreate copreserve and codestroy. — plaque flag
A concept, a word becomes alive with meaning when a community has a use for it. — Richard B
The idea that more than any other animal we live in a symbolic realm is something a supporter of Indirect Realism would say, something that I would say. — RussellA
My question is, where exactly is this public concept of pain, if neither of the individuals has the private concept of pain ? — RussellA
Suppose there is someone who has lived their life alone on a desert island. — RussellA
So the person that sees (which is the person that talks about what is seen) is not stuffed in a brain, not trapped behind or as sensations. — plaque flag
If a human doesn't learn a language, I don't know how much we can say about them in this context (they would be almost like wild animals?). — plaque flag
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`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.' — lewis carroll
Suppose there is someone who has lived their life alone on a desert island. If it is the case that "There are no private concepts.", he has never had the private concept of pain, and has been putting his hand into the fire badly burning it over the years. This is not something that has concerned him if he has no private concept of pain. — RussellA
If meaning is considered to be use, as Humpty is suggesting, then how can meaning-as-use be grounded in linguistic convention? — sime
Also consider the fact that any explicitly defined linguistic convention can only be finitely specified, implying that there is always uncertainty as to the intended meaning of a convention. — sime
The self is this side of our senses, and society is the other side of our senses. — RussellA
We will need to rely on natural expressions and reactions to particular situations that humans typically harmonize to develop this concept of pain. — Richard B
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