So you are arguing or asking if the assassination of Charlie Kirk was justified?
Youre a mod?
Thats pretty fucked up. — DingoJones

And I believe that a society that strives for constant liberation from anything restrictive and oppressive is liberated to the point of freedom from being — Astorre

you emphasize the importance of a solid foundation. Is it possible to build a foundation that includes subjectivity as an integral part of truth? — Astorre

does philosophy make you happier? What role does it play in your daily life - does it criticize your beliefs, or does it inspire you by connecting you to your humanity. What kind of people does philosophy make us in a world where objectivity is increasingly dominant? — Astorre

In other words, I think that philosophy should face the challenge of appreciating subjectivity as something much more important than we usually think. Normally we think that subjectivity means limits, narrow horizons, being conditioned, being relative. — Angelo Cannata

As I said, I favour criticism, because it protects and vaccinates us from deception, contradictions, it reveals a lot of hidden bad mechanisms. But what shall we do once all mechanisms, bad and good ones, have been deconstructed, revealed and pulverized? — Angelo Cannata

If other people were aware of him they would probably revolt. Which is where a moral power play ensues. — Barkon

Someone can knowingly sell cigarettes or cancer causing products and be very successful and live a very happy life. Period. — Tom Storm

If we're willing to do it we can produce a societal system that's far more harmonious than the current system. — Barkon

Hopefully, we live in a very modern era, and scientists can overcome this virus quickly. — javi2541997

My granny is 91 years old, and it seemed that the covid didn't even approximate to her. — javi2541997

That is your pov. — BC

Even if the Justice system were to be perfect, I am still against capital punishment. I do not believe it has the power to dissuade someone from committing a capital crime, — BC

Sadly, "the extent of the law" may include capital punishment. I am against capital punishment for two reasons: #1, in the United States, at least, justice has been perverted in a significant number of convictions, including those of capital cases. The wrongfully convicted are sometimes exonerated by the hard work of a few justice groups. It's bad enough if someone spends 20 years in prison for a wrongful conviction. A wrongful execution is beyond appeal. — BC

#2, execution is an unseemly activity for the state to engage in. — BC

"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - William Shakespeare, Act 2, Scene 2, "Hamlet".

Is right and wrong just a matter of thinking something is right — Truth Seeker

Wisdom tells me that the second hanging is a formality, since the hangees will no longer be 'present'.

On the other hand, I'll own up to a certain amount of vindictiveness toward responsible agents who wrecked the climate and caused billions of deaths. — BC

Let them be hanged twice. — BC

I forget exactly where, I think it's in a few places, Plato describes being educated as primarily "desiring what is truly worthy/good and despising what is truly unworthy/bad." He says that a formally educated, wealthy person might be able to give more sophisticated answers as to why something is desirable or undesirable, but that this is ancillary to being truly "educated." If the more sophisticated person is nonetheless not properly oriented/cultivated such as to desire the good and abhor evil, then they are in an important sense uneducated (unformed); whereas the unsophisticated person is educated, although lacking in sophistication.

Now, Plato's point here sort of goes with what you each have said in different ways. In general, we do not love the good by default. While people might have more or less of a talent/inclination towards specific virtues and vices (e.g., tempers can "run in families"), in general they won't attain to a state of virtue without some cultivation. Indeed, without care and cultivation, at the limit, infants and children will die, so there always needs to be some cultivation (some "education"). — Count Timothy von Icarus

A bit out of scope for this conversation. — T Clark

I've been careless in language. — Tom Storm

Because, in most situations, even a fool can see when something is a failure. You don’t even need to know what success is. But as I already said, very few people are 100% foolish. — Tom Storm

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” — Aristotle

“Any fool can know. The point is to understand.”

Your understanding of Taoism is different from mine. — T Clark

Wisdom comes from letting go of what you’ve learned, not adding more to it. Wisdom is a surrendering, not the result of an act of will. — T Clark

In fact, I have learned more from watching mistakes and making them than I ever have from success. — Tom Storm

I wonder if it is possible to become wise by learning from the foolish? After all, with discernment, watching a fool and what happens to them can be very instructive in learning what not to do. — Tom Storm

I still think you’re clearly wrong. — T Clark

Of all the personal qualities that a person can have - intelligence, character, integrity, experience, wisdom, temperament, maturity, personality, virtue - what wisdom and maturity have that set them apart from the others is distance, dispassion. They’ve seen everything before. I was thinking for a minute that maybe wisdom and maturity are the same thing, but that’s not right. I guess it’s more that maturity is a prerequisite for wisdom. Wisdom stands back and sees everything at once, how everything fits together, what’s going to come next. — T Clark

You’re seeing education as something quite different from traditional book-smart or university-style learning. I imagine it is possible to be wise in some areas and foolish in others. — Tom Storm

That’s ridiculous. I think it shows, perhaps, a lack of wisdom. — T Clark

I think that's right in the sense that a fish doesn't actively experience water. It's too fundamental. On the other hand, water is an essential part of its lived experience, and if you take it out of the water, it definitely knows the difference. — Baden

When my teenage daughter got in trouble with the law, she had to go into counseling and the counselor told her she learned better. She most certainly did. But the teen years are a form insanity. — Athena

What follows then is an attempt to explore a form of brokenness in or in our relation to this non-positional awareness, and, by extension, the other. — Baden

Can an uneducated person be wise? — Tom Storm

Does wisdom usually belong to one or two specific domains, or is it a broader category of integrated practice? To what extent does it involve practical skill, moral awareness, or both? — Tom Storm

How important do we think wisdom is in our lives, and do we agree with contemporary thinkers like John Vervaeke that we “suffer a wisdom famine in the West”? — Tom Storm

So I cannot depend on my understanding to know the true state of being in the world.

Therefore, "perceive" in "to be is to be perceived" cannot refer to the understanding but only to the sensibilities. — RussellA

But my point is that your childhood influences don't always wither away. — Hanover

There is a lot of truth in what you say. I experienced that kind of disjunction as a gay man. I moved from small town/rural life, oriented around heterosexuality and traditional lifestyles, to an urban environment, and was greatly influenced by the norms of the liberationist gay male community of the late '60s and early 70s.

However, as unlike a gay lifestyle was from growing up in Podunk, MN, a lot of the values and behaviors of my parents remained. — BC

However, I may perceive Mary is bored because she is wearing bright clothes and you may perceive that Mary is not bored precisely because she is wearing bright clothes.

If perception refers to understanding, the situation becomes very unclear. How can anyone know what is in the mind of God if everyone's perceived understanding of the same situation is probably different. How can anyone ever know Mary's true state of being.

Mary's "to be" can never be known if "is to be perceived" means perceived in the understanding. — RussellA

What is the way out?

The way out must begin with a refusal to search, but it cannot be a purely negative act. Narcissus must rebuild the other into its internal mirror through creative acts that confirm the symbolic social embeddedness of the self and so performatively deny its neurotic / solipsistic denial. It is a return to humility through working not to be the dream of God by creating new dreams for God that may substitute for the sacrifice of the self. Narcissus must become the dreamer, not the dreamed, and must make his dreams real. He must be, in Sartrean terms, a useless passion, but nonetheless a passion and a socially mediated one, that yet creates its own unique, and, ultimately, desirable story of self. — Baden

how are you getting those probabilities? — flannel jesus

I am unclear as to the meaning of "perceive" in "esse est percipi", "to be is to be perceived". — RussellA

Does it mean perceive through the sense, as in "I perceive a red postbox" or "I perceive a loud noise" or does it mean perceive in the mind, as in "I perceive she is bored" or "I perceive the cause of the smoke was a fire"? — RussellA

Today, my understanding of reality is described by Physicalism, where particles and forces are fundamental to the reality of the world. — RussellA

Berkeley did not believe in what today we call Physicalism, as he believed that everything in the world, whether fundamental particles, fundamental forces, tables, chairs or trees are bundles of ideas in the mind of God. — RussellA

I also like really like that red and the shape is intriguing. This is a bit more sombre. — Baden

Interesting paint, Baden. As you said, is a bit more sombre and that shades of green, purple, gray, etc... makes me feel a bit of anxiety for being lost there.
A representation of a lonely winter day in a hidden forest. — javi2541997

. It looks very like a painting, but it's actually a photograph. I used a long shutter speed and moved the camera to get the effect (rather than use post-editing / Photoshop etc). This method doesn't always work, but in this case it was meant to express pretty much what you felt. — Baden