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  • Part Of Having A Goal
    Whenever I set a goal, usually part of the very goal itself is to get it done within a certain time period.HardWorker
    This is true. To me part of accomplishing something is get it done by certain amount of time. I sometimes allow a bit of a grace period, but nonetheless, I know if I give a time limit, I get it done.
  • Manifest Destiny Syndrome
    Consequently, you feel good...rewarded. Oh, and there are no REAL consequences to you getting virtually shot. No deterrence! Seems like a logical gateway to get multi-dimensional and include the body for some physical activity and, perhaps, increased stimulation and reward while perpetrating some actual carnage.Steven P Clum
    I can only find studies on children, young children on violent video games. How and when they act out this gaming in actuality is something I'm not sure about. But you made a great point below:

    Whereas myself, (for example) who used to engage in full contact karate back before it was a thing, learned to avoid fighting outside of the ring because I knew first hand the ramifications of giving and receiving a can of whoop a_s. I was as much satiated and humbled from the matches that I lost as those that I won on account of I always reflected and learned from both experiences. Peace!Steven P Clum
    In the live sports of karate, with rules in place and guidance provided by the organizers, you are actually trained not just the actual physical contact but the rules surrounding the activity. There is something that serves as a safety gate.
  • Manifest Destiny Syndrome
    On this thread, I'm not going to make a for-or-against decision on the violent video games and other forms of violent entertainment. But I want to point out that the OP did qualify its claim as
    prolonged and disproportional enough to that of the multi-dimensional world,Steven P Clum
    .

    So, at least on that thought alone, we should consider discussing it.

    Violence aside, the marketing industry is half a billion a year revenue. Why there's so much money involved in marketing and advertisement? It's because it works. People can be manipulated by images, symbols, and persuasion to act and make decisions to purchase, use, idolize, believe in a certain product or person.

    Now, you might argue that "well, food choices in advertisement and marketing are not like selling violence. People are aware that food is good. And people are aware that violence is bad. So, they're not going to make a stupid decision to act out the violence they've been fed through video games". Behavioral and psychological manipulation works equally on all behaviors. Not just the good ones. Conditioning does not discriminate.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    In order to cut down on traffic and parking costs, and to keep from annoying citizens more than they already do, Mayo organized a transit system for its employees, collecting 1 or two bus loads of people each in small towns up to 50 miles out, and dropping them off at the buildings in which they work. In the evening the routes are traveled in the opposite direction. Several thousand workers get to work this way.BC
    Wow! That actually sounds doable. If employers in the cities provide a benefit like that, I think that is a happy medium between convenience, not having to drive, and relinquishing some freedom from driving yourself.

    In other words, it doesn't have lines that go INTO the neighborhoods to allow for people to walk easily and not have to "park and ride", which I saw you discussed earlier.schopenhauer1
    Yeah, the rail is very limited when it comes to "customization" of travel. Commuters go to the rails, not the other way around. And this poses a problem still, because you have to have a car to go to the ride. That's why buses, as BC has been talking about, are the way to go because they can drop off the travelers to every corner of the roads.
    (I'm saying this as if I'm the department of transportation, :lol: )

    The thing with rail is physical limits. Things like curves and grades that don't work everywhere.Mark Nyquist
    Absolutely! And the rails don't come to the people also. It's where the planning commission could plant them.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    Secondly, proposing mass transit over personal vehicles displays an urban bias. Rural folks are completely left out of the conversation.

    Of course, a robust debate can be had on shifting a higher percentage of urban dwellers to mass transit and away from cars. But that is very different from declaring personal vehicles evil, as if they have no (inherently obvious to essentially everyone) huge positive impact to humans.
    LuckyR

    I think in the rural area mass transit is not practical. I think the OP meant the cities full of cars -- that's why the evil reference. But you are correct, there should be a two-tier proposals on the restrictions of vehicle use. I don't know. How are the Amish doing, btw? Do they use vehicles on the road now?

    light rail.Mark Nyquist
    In Asia, it's monorail. I've ridden a monorail before -- built by the Japanese. It's high up from the streets, unlike subways. The streets below have the regular vehicular traffic.

    The fact of the matter is that a large share of "mass transit" is largely transit for the poor and the disabled who have little choice but to use "shabby transit".BC
    The modern rail is open to everyone. Some have seats like an airplane cabin. Maybe the "bus" still bears the image of the uncouth crowd, but we should really change that now and make the bus ride as comfortable as the private car.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    At other times mass transit must be available for the small volume of people who want to use it, and it must still be frequent enough to meet people's needs. This means that mass transit is underutilized but must still run to meet people's transport needs. So you get buses, trains, etc carrying only a few people. This is very inefficient. Cars don't have this problem.Agree-to-Disagree
    This is only true on paper. In actuality, one wonders why at any given day of the week and at any given time, there are so many people "not at the workplace", but going to shops, restaurants, the beach, and somewhere else. I witness this myself everyday.

    As far as the public transit, there's park-and-ride, which is also nonsense as you still need to drive yourself to the location of the ride, park your car, ride, and come back to get your car and drive home. That's bullshit. Then there's the lame trolley as it is only available for short strip of the city, so it's like a joy-ride only, not a real serious shit that's gonna take you to work, home, school, and stores. Like it's a token ride so the politicians could point to "there's the trolley, if you don't own a car". Like, WTF!
  • Health
    Avoid getting any virus -- you may think that it's just like a common cold: everybody gets it and it goes away. Viruses are different. They actually have a long term after-effect in your brain years down the road.

    Strenght training. Cooking my meals. Biking to places I need to go (under 10km).Lionino
    This is all you need to do.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    I read something about when the Ford model T cars came out and a family went out for a ride at 25 miles per hours. They got into an accident and one of the daughters died. Not collision with another vehicle -- owners of model T were rare. They drove into a ditch.

    Think. Usain Bolt could run at 27+ miles per hour.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    I am not sure whether workers saved up for a car, bought it on time, or borrowed the money, My guess is more the former and less the latter.BC
    Some certainly did save up for it. But we're talking about the mass produced cars whose buyers didn't have the time to save up. 1919 was the first time auto loan was available to the general public.
  • How May the Idea and Nature of 'Despair' be Understood Philosophically?
    This quote is attributed to Publilius Syrus:

    The pain of the mind is worse than the pain of the body.
  • How May the Idea and Nature of 'Despair' be Understood Philosophically?
    I wonder to what extent despair is a temperament or a philosophical perspective? Also, to what extent is it a chosen viewpoint or one arrived at through outer experience of suffering?Jack Cummins

    So, I am asking how do you see the idea of despair, and hope, as philosophical concepts in making sense of the navigation of life possibilities? How may ideas of despair be juggled effectively, to go beyond the deadend of pessimism and thinking? To what extent is nihilism a 'realistic' philosophy or a flawed one?Jack Cummins

    Despair is alive and well in philosophy.

    I found out about Lev Shestov. This is his take on despair:

    People who read much must always keep it in mind that life is one thing, literature another. Not that authors invariably lie. I declare that there are writers who rarely and most reluctantly lie. But one must know how to read, and that isn't easy. Out of a hundred bookreaders ninety-nine have no idea what they are reading about. It is a common belief, for example, that any writer who sings of suffering must be ready at all times to open his arms to the weary and heavy-laden.

    This is what his readers feel when they read his books. Then when they approach him with their woes, and find that he runs away without looking back at them, they are filled with indignation and talk of the discrepancy between word and deed. Whereas the fact is, the singer has more than enough woes of his own, and he sings them because he can't get rid of them. L’uccello canta nella gabbia, non di gioia ma di rabbia, says the Italian proverb: "The bird sings in the cage, not from joy but from rage." It is impossible to love sufferers, particularly hopeless sufferers, and whoever says otherwise is a deliberate liar. "Come unto Me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

    But you remember what the Jews said about Him: "He speaks as one having authority!" And if Jesus had been unable, or had not possessed the right, to answer this skeptical taunt, He would have had to renounce His words. We common mortals have neither divine powers nor divine rights, we can only love our neighbours whilst they still have hope, and any pretence of going beyond this is empty swagger. Ask him who sings of suffering for nothing but his songs. Rather think of alleviating his burden than of requiring alleviation from him. Surely not—for ever should we ask any poet to sob and look upon tears. I will end with another Italian saying: Non è un si triste cane che non meni la coda... "No dog so wretched that doesn't wag his tail sometimes.”

    ― Lev Shestov, All Things Are Possible and Penultimates Words and Other Essays

    I do not have a better passage to provide here as I don't own a book he'd written.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    It's an economic fight -- it would be hard to get rid of private vehicles in favor of public transport. But humans could get used to not having a garage and a vehicle. I know I can and I know people who would favor not having cars anymore.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    Ah got it. Yes, loans for all. Cars for all. Shit for all.schopenhauer1
    There were societies where loans are unheard of, let alone mortgage loans. Guess what? They built their own homes and did not buy a vehicle and used the public transportation instead. Look up Asian countries in the long ago past.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    The production of automobiles was a result of capitalism. How to sell those cars if not enough people are wealthy enough to buy all the cars produced. Loans. Who are the people behind the production of vehicles and the invention of loans? The owners of the means of production.
  • The automobile is an unintended evil
    For sure it would have been a totally different world without the mass produced automobiles.

    Imagine a world where automobiles were rare, and mainly used in rural areas that were extremely remote or for emergency purposes only.schopenhauer1
    Not rare. That isn't the word you want. I believe you mean government-approved uses.
    In any case, you can't solve the problem of automobiles without first addressing the allocation of resources where no one gets insanely wealthy while others work for minimum wage.
  • All that matters in society is appearance
    I asked, "And how do you distinguish between who a person is and who you think said person is?"
    Replying, "Okay, seriously, by spending time with them" is below one would expect at a philosophy forum.
    baker
    :grin: I was lazy to elaborate. I'm sorry.

    Judging from what I experienced, there are things they say that give away how they feel about certain issues.

    "My wife is a Karen." I heard this uttered by a man. Though I cannot divulge what led to his statement, what he was revealing about himself is that he is an easy man to deal with and expect no issues with him. He wouldn't cause any drama.
  • All that matters in society is appearance
    This is what I mean, and to me, these things are obvious.
    People's bodily appearance is like the picture of Dorian Gray: it depicts all their sins and passions.
    baker
    To a certain point, yes.

    This is a philosophy forum. Presumably, you have a systematic methodology for distinguishing between who a person is and who you think said person is.baker
    I was actually speaking of people I actually do meet in person and spend time with.
    The philosophy forum is probably very limited in providing insight to a person's true personality.
  • All that matters in society is appearance
    But there are outward clues as to who they are if you look closely.

    "Closely"? I think it's quite obvious.
    baker
    Are you really just going to literal-ass this?

    Obviously, the outward appearance is "obvious". When I said closely, I meant you would need to ignore the superficial curtsies and social routine so you could see a couple of measures -- integrity, maturity, and respect, for example.

    How do you tell which is which?

    And how do you distinguish between who a person is and who you think said person is?
    baker
    By fucking them. Okay, seriously, by spending time with them.
  • All that matters in society is appearance
    I would also add that I never know who a person really is.Tom Storm
    This I agree :100:
  • All that matters in society is appearance
    What do you mean by "appearance"? And what by "who they are"?baker
    Hi Baker, appearance is what we see when we meet people or see them in pictures. Who they are is their core personality. However, what Tom said about almost no correlation between appearance and who they are -- I disagree slightly. I work with all kinds of people, and so does Tom, I believe. But there are outward clues as to who they are if you look closely.

    @Tom Storm, you can disagree with what I said above. I also do not have a scientific backing for what I said.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    We can ask ourselves: Does the gravitational singularity coexist with the current state of the universe? Should we differentiate them as two different moments? You could say: "In the gravitational singularity there is no before or after." Well, then there is an inadequacy of that space-time scheme that we use to represent the difference between one state of the universe and another state.JuanZu
    This is your opinion. If you believe there are deficiencies in the conception of what existed prior to the big bang, or even in the blackhole, this is beyond the task of philosophy.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    So, is philosophy very much invested in physics? Should it be? Is philosophy equipped, in general, to circumvent details and pull quantum tricks out of its big hat?jgill
    Physics is invested in philosophy. :cool:
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    I wouldn't say Newtonian. I conceive spatiality and temporality as part of the thing to the extent that it is always in relationship. However, when talking about the order of coexistence and order of succession I am talking about something that all science implies when using the notions of space and time.JuanZu
    And I'm saying that you can't. Gravitational singularity does not have spacetime.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    This is strange territory where philosophy can't seem to abstain trespassing.jgill
    Please don't say this. Physics is very much invested in causality -- which is the prize of metaphysics.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    If the universe is actually eternal, that solves the problem.Count Timothy von Icarus
    No, the universe is not eternal. The singularity, however, is infinite.

    Basically, if inherit fluctuations in the singularity could produce the universe 14 billion years ago, how did the singularity not produce any such fluctuations for an infinite amount of time before these fluctuations finally did occur? My understanding is that this is the problem that drives the appeal of cyclical universes or Black Hole Cosmology.Count Timothy von Icarus
    I am lost here. We could only describe quantum fluctuations outside of the singularity, I believe. That is, we can only describe the quantum fluctuations within the universe.

    Of course, we could appeal to the status of time in singularities, but we have reason to think our understanding of singularities is incomplete because of Hawking radiation, conservation laws, the prediction that black holes will decay and have an end, etc.Count Timothy von Icarus
    No, there's no time in singularities. Let's try not to confuse the Newtonian causality with the infinity.

    But as I said in my answer, although things come into existence constantly, what would be unusual is for them to come from nothing. Since generally there is a causality that precedes and explains them, kinda. The important thing is that "coming into existence" presupposes the order of coexistence and the order of succession. From this it follows that the universe did not come out of nothing: It could have been there forever.JuanZu
    You're still stuck in the Newtonian causality. While I agree with you, in fact I said this in my previous post that there was always something, and that the universe did not come from nothing, your train of thought is still the regularity of the laws of the universe. We are totally not on the same page.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    I know it's hard to wrap our heads around the idea that there was always "something" and that something was a single point. There was never a time when there was nothing. There was always something.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    Yes, that's the premise I was accepting starting out. Things can begin to exist for no reason at all, no Principle of Sufficient Reason in effect.

    I'm not really sure if you're trying to rebut my solution or the problem itself? If a singularity can start to exist, i.e., it did not always exist, why can't others? Why does one beginning to exist preclude others?
    Count Timothy von Icarus
    No. Singularity as described is the infinite density - this is what was. (matter cannot be created nor destroyed). So, that said:

    Actually we do see many new things appear: new stars, new human beings, new social problems, new diseases, new hopes, new philosophies, new theories, new films, new technologies, etc. What is not common is that something new arises out of nothing and for no reason.JuanZu
    This is totally not what we're talking about here. The "new" is missed here.

    Stars, for example, as part of the galaxy is not "new" -- stars are not born -- they form out of gas and dust. So, when they undergo change in properties, they age and collapse.

    What's new and had existed infinitely was the singular point that has infinitesimal volume. Then big bang happened.
  • Spontaneous Creation Problems
    Here is the solution that occured to me, and it might not be very good. But let's say that all sorts of things do start to exist, at random. Why should we expect that different sorts of things that start existing would be able to interact with one another? Maybe stuff is popping into being all the time and it just makes no difference to us.Count Timothy von Icarus
    This is an incorrect expectation. There was just a single point that was very very hot before the Big Bang. This singularity (prior to the Big Bang) will never occur again until, maybe, this universe dies in what they call the Big Freeze, which is like the death valley. There is no explanation as to the cause responsible for the singularity. "How it forms" is not a cause.
  • Deconstructing our intuitions of consciousness
    In other words, our conscious experience correlates with the notion of individual, since it is present almost all the time, but I don’t see any proof of causality, since one can happen without the other.Skalidris
    Consciousness is not causality.
    Perception is causality.
  • Bannings
    And of course, there's the hypocritical anti-philosophy types who don't wish to be doing philosophy, and even claim not to be doing philosophy, while not having the will power to prevent themselves from doing philosophy... and so they go, into the production of depraved philosophy.Metaphysician Undercover

    :100: :grin:
  • Bannings

    Yes, I agree. The lounge should be the proper place for that if it's really unavoidable that that thread must be made. This is a philosophy forum.
    (In the past, I opened a few threads the nature of which should be suspect as to their proper places. If the moderators moved them to the lounge, that's where they should be).
  • ChatGPT obsoleting Encyclopaedia and Textbooks?
    In case of the online information such as from WiKi or ChatGPT, the editors, publishers, scholars ..etc source information can be unknown or vague. And also the quality and accuracy of the information could be a bit suspicious too.

    I prefer relying on the information from the traditional printed books and articles for the clearer information of the source, editors, writers and publishers.
    Corvus
    It's more than a preference, but yes, I voted that the printed books are very relevant. There are legal properties attached to the physical copies of a book -- it is a tangible property which is regulated by the distribution, copyrights, printing, plagiarism laws. Out-of-print books could be re-printed. The years (20xx) and number of copies printed become its valuable properties.
  • ChatGPT obsoleting Encyclopaedia and Textbooks?
    With the advent of A.I. and the use of ChatGPT getting popular, I wonder if all the Encyclopaedia and Textbooks become obsolete. Would it be the case, or the textbooks and Encyclopaedia will still be in demand?Corvus

    I did not vote. When you say with the "advent of AI and the use of ChatGPT" --are you saying we are also doing away with the editors, publishers, scholars, and reviews of the references and citations? Because those were what it took to create those books.

    The scholars are researchers who are the specialists of a given subject matter.

    So, I don't understand the question. And are you also including in your question the copyrights? Is authorship also obsolete?
  • About definitions and the use of dictionaries in Philosophy
    Philosophy has its own lexicon that's different from politics, for example. — L'éléphant

    Do you refer to a particular lexicon, like a specialized dictionary or encyclopedia --e.g. Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, etc.-- or a personal vocabulary, based on their own personal meanings of terms?
    If it's the first case, what Philosophy lexicon are you using?
    Alkis Piskas
    Yes, those dictionaries. But also, from the writings of the philosophers themselves, which are not dictionaries themselves. Their books are filled with definitions/meanings.
  • About definitions and the use of dictionaries in Philosophy
    2) How can they expect to communicate effectively with others if they don't know the standard, common, agreed upon definitions/meanings of terms (with all their variations depending on context ) or if they have their own, personal, different definitions/meanings according to their own views and reality?
    One can always of course describe one's own definition/meaning of a term --nothing bad about it-- but at least they should make that clear if that definition/meaning departs from the standard, common, agreed upon definition and meaning. Isn't that right?
    Alkis Piskas

    That being said, anyone who gives you flak for daring to use a dictionary should be red flagged in your mind. Anyone who resists clear definitions is likely a charlatan who will continue to twist and retwist the meaning any time you think you get a handle on it and it points to a contradiction. Discussing with people like this can be a waste of time, so be careful.Philosophim

    These explanations are why we have something called a lexicon. In any given body of knowledge, population, community, and language in general, there is the lexicon that we abide by, naturally and automatically.

    Philosophy has its own lexicon that's different from politics, for example. When the political news refer to the "world", they mean the countries that make up the human population.

    Just because this is a public forum that welcomes everyone, it doesn't mean we can just join and start a conversation using an entirely new lexicon that is personalized to our own desires. We can challenge everything you say that's outside the lexicon of philosophy (unless of course, you want to talk about films, or music, or fiction, or any popular reads).

    That said, a dictionary is created by the lexicographers, so using it in the philosophical discussion is a reasonable means.
  • There is No Such Thing as Freedom
    One cannot be both his own slave and his own master.NOS4A2
    Good point. We are what our mind is -- which includes conscience and ego. So, we really can't say we are imprisoned by our own mind. That is our essence. The lions in the wilderness are said to be free. They're not trapped in their lionness.

    The only way we can assert freedom in this sense is to use the rational deliberation of our actions. The likes of Aristotle, Kant, and Mill argue for this kind of freedom. Even if one is physically imprisoned in a cell or shackled by chains, they can still think rationally.

    Consider insults, for example. Insults are effective at causing pain to some but not to others. Some people couldn't care less about what was said about them. They are free of the pain caused by the words directed at them.

    And this is really the gist or the point of talking about lack of freedom. If we have no freedom, for example, how does that affect us negatively? Are we locked up in a cell unable to do what we wish or need to do? Then we don't have freedom.

    Oh, we're not locked up and chained? Then we are talking about a different kind of freedom or the lack thereof.
  • What is the way to deal with inequalities?
    The acceptance and appreciation of individuality.Vera Mont
    This will work if we stop listening to the publicity and marketing.
  • The objectively best chocolate bars
    I am not a sweets eater in general. I would get sick and vomit if I eat a lot of chocolates or cakes or other sweet stuff. My limit is the size of a bite size chocolate bar.
    That said, the pictures here look delicious. And also, of course, chocolates have that ingredient flavanol that is good for health.

    Chocolates also come in pink:

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  • The Philosophy of 'Risk': How is it Used and, How is it Abused?
    So find laws where the punishment is X fine without jail time and so long as you're poised to make a greater reward than the fine, break the law, pay the fine, reap the profits.Vaskane
    :smile:
  • Are some languages better than others?
    Are you just identifying your subjective opinion, or are you saying something objective?

    As in, you think you better express yourself with painting than sculpture, or are you saying that sculpture is the truly best way to express certain perspectives?

    Seems the former would be the only sustainable claim.
    Hanover
    Dude, to say something is "better" is a subjective opinion.
    So, I don't understand what the confusion is about.