What are they saying?When they say “I am a man” they are not saying anything about their biology — Michael
What are they saying? — Malcolm Parry
That their gender identity is male. Gender identity is psychological/social/cultural, not biological. — Michael
Biological men and biological women tend to have a different kind of psychology. The way they think and feel and behave is different — Michael
Surely that is a woman who wished to be treated as a man. Not a man. I treat everyone as I see fit and how my subconscious dictates. If I see a transman then I will interact as I see fit. What does treated like a man entail? It can be different for everyone. I tailor my conversation etc to who I'm speaking to.Sometimes someone who is biologically female develops the kind of psychology typically associated with biological men, and so they identify as men in that psychological sense, and wish to be treated as a man. — Michael
Surely that is a woman who wished to be treated as a man. Not a man. — Malcolm Parry
I am aware that there are differences on average between the sexes but it is not clear cut at all. Men on average are more aggressive but not significantly and there are plenty of non aggressive men.
What kind of differences constitute a male v female? — Malcolm Parry
It’s a biological woman who is psychologically male, and wishes to be treated how society and culture usually treats those who are psychologically male. — Michael
You could start with sex differences in psychology. — Michael
I have some female friends who are treated like one of the blokes.
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How does society and culture treat a male? — Malcolm Parry
You’ve kind of answered your own question. — Michael
I don't think society and culture treats people like I treat my mates. There would be a lot of upset people. — Malcolm Parry
The point I am making is that you clearly understand that in many cases someone’s sex determines the way that they are treated, and that this treatment has nothing really to do with their sex at all - hence when you treat your female friends “like one of the blokes” you are not treating them as “having a penis”.
Obviously the wider society and culture is not identical to your friendship group, but the same principle is at play. — Michael
The point I'm making is that in 2025 people can be whatever they like. No sexist tropes are needed to define a person. — Malcolm Parry
So in sports and women's exclusive spaces biology trumps feelings. — Malcolm Parry
Okay, not really sure what the purpose of this line of questioning was supposed to be? — Michael
What is the mechanism for someone to gave the opposite psychology to their sex? I’m intrigued.Okay, but sex differences in psychology are still a real thing, and in a minority of cases someone can have the psychology typically associated with the opposite sex. — Michael
Why? — Michael
Because men should be excluded from women’s sport because they have a competitive advantage. A huge competitive advantage. Shall we start there? — Malcolm Parry
What is the mechanism for someone to gave the opposite psychology to their sex? I’m intrigued. — Malcolm Parry
And on that we agree, as I’ve mentioned before. — Michael
effeminate men and masculine women — Michael
So for sport they aren’t women but they are women for other purposes? — Malcolm Parry
Bathrooms, changing rooms and shelters for victims of male violence. Do you think men should be excluded from these places? — Malcolm Parry
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